referenced in this discussion, and these will come up in the near and
distant future, and we might as well address them now.
It is extremely important, especially for the women, WHO ARE THE LEADERS, to
understand the difference between these issues and these are two totally
distinct and separate issues, to be dealt with each in different ways.
First, there is the strictly SPIRITUAL issue where both males and females
should worship MotherGod, and have places to go for public worship. In this
arena, there is no discrimination or discernment between male or female, all
are One, all are equal in terms of receiving their potential, we see only
the Spirit and not the flesh as God would look only at your Soul, not your
body. In this sense, men are completely free to seek Oneness with God,
their Creator, whom we call Mother, and there is no handicap or stumbling
block, wall or glass ceiling for them. There is also no discernment or
difference in race, sexual orientation (gay, straight, transsexual, gender
bender, transvestite, hermaphrodite, etc.), nationality or any such
dimensions, rich or poor, educated or without learning, God is no respecter
of persons and neither are we. We are totally at odds with the "Old
Testament" here, which condemns TO DEATH some of those mentioned.
But on the other hand, here is "the rub," the point that will be the bone of
contention, the pivot of controversy and perhaps hysteria, on mostly men's
part but also "do-gooder" women: Men are not equal to women genetically,
biologically, mentally or emotionally, and WORST OF ALL they are (as a
gender generally, not specific to all individuals) A DANGER TO THE HUMAN
RACE AND TO ALL LIFE ON THIS PLANET. Because of these clear and evident
facts, which are proven in copious writings by scientists, doctors and
scholars, (referenced in our own books) MEN CANNOT BE IN THE LEADERSHIP OF
THE CHURCH THAT I WILL INSTITUTE and neither, in my opinion, should they be
in any positions of serious leadership (that which has to do with the
health, wealth and welfare of humans, animals and planet) in our world,
given their track record.
Now specifically, to the Church or Temple that I plan to build. I am
debating about segregation of male and female. I believe the best interests
of women will be served if we have services FOR WOMEN ONLY, to be explained
further down. Another service, periodically, could be for males only, and a
third service, for both males and females. (This is to be worked out later
when the Church actually begins, I cannot anticipate every detail ahead of
time. Security is a big factor, as reviving MotherGod worship in public
will bring controversy and danger, and those who threaten danger are almost
always men, so we might want to keep them away for security and safety
There are many reasons why women WANT TO BE SEGREGATED away from the men.
It is NOT the same as Mosques where women are NEVER allowed, nor other
Churches where male and female sit in separate areas (women often behind
barriers) where they are excluded because they are pushed down as the
vassals and property of men, to be done with as they will. This on the part
of men is pure misogyny, exploitation and cruelty to the superior sex, whom
they have trapped, enslaved and vilified, but for women to exclude men from
their services does not harbor the same feelings or intentions.
Even though men have grievously harmed us, and continue to do so, we are not
excluding them from our company due to the fact that we look down on them as
slaves, vassals or property, it is BECAUSE WE HAVE A RIGHT TO GATHER IN
PRIVACY AND BE LEFT ALONE BY MEN. (I will give many reasons why this is so
Here I am speaking FOR MY CHURCH, the one that I will found, and not for
other Mother God, Goddess worship Churches. Anyone can start their own
Church and run it any way they will, males themselves can begin Mother
Worship Temples. They can have genders in total participation or partial,
whatever they want - I speak for myself.
For one thing, women sometimes WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE because the genders are
different, and they are at cross purposes, and the agenda of males is wholly
different and at odds with the agenda of women, where men basically want the
opposite of what women want. You have to go into the basic instincts of
both male and female to know what that agenda is, and it is the following:
Males want to impregnate as many women as possible, and have little or
nothing to do with the children, just move on, and impregnate more women.
That is why they travel, roam, have roving eyes, are wholly susceptible to
just about any woman even when they are in a monogamous relationship, - that
is their instinct. (Let me add here that the ideal set up for a male is to
get married, have the woman/Mother take care of him, then run around on the
side to give vent to his instincts. This is the basic Patriarchal setup we
have now.) Women, on the other hand, have much to invest when they have
children. It takes a huge amount of effort and energy for them to carry,
produce, and take care of a child. They need help, resources, support, a
steady income, and they are about providing care, nurturing, and
instruction, not about dropping a load of sperm wherever and moving on.
In Patriarchy, males have trapped women into positions like domestically
enslaved animals, where the male has the freedom but the woman does not.
Women might be put into harems, or else they are placed in nuclear families,
isolated from their kin, once habitually grounded home, while men went to
outside work and did their dalliances, while women had little opportunity
for any kind of freedom due to lack of transportation, contacts, money,
workplace, nearby kin and they were stuck with helpless children. Men
routinely had friends they met with outside the home, they went to brothels
and strip clubs, prostitutes on the street, and girlfriends, while women
took care of the children at home. This is changing drastically, women have
gained much freedom in the West, but some of it still prevails. In
countries ruled by Muslims, in Africa, China, India and other places, women
are mostly slaves of men, and that is more than half the world, perhaps a
billion and a half women and children under severe oppression.
Now back to America. I can speak from experience that all my life I have
longed to just get away from men, from the sexual harassment on the street,
public parks, restaurants, beaches, any place where I have been or tried to
have a conversation with a lady friend, alone or with other women, I have
been interrupted. Whichever of us was the most beautiful is the one that
would be approached, sometimes me, other times my girlfriend. Always they
were after sex. Every conversation would be butted into. They would hover
around, watching us, getting closer, listening and interrupting. I cannot
recall ever being left alone. In those days I had not even heard of Wicca
covens or 'safe space' for women, I just knew that in public, we could never
have a conversation. (Consider here also, why are the city streets at night
devoid of women, but lots of men are out? Women are afraid of men, men are
dangerous, women have to hide from men in the safety of their homes.)
On the other hand, women do not routinely roam around looking for single men
to approach and they do not routinely see guys talking, hover around them,
butt in, interrupt and basically make nuisances of themselves, looking for
sex or whatever. Men can be left to their privacy when they want it.
Furthermore, men have always had gathering places, called men's clubs, and
their sports, and they roam around together in groups like animals, which we
There is another salient factor why women NEED to band together, and this
was brought close to home for me when recently I saw six videos uploaded by
ZBudapest on Youtube, of women gathering.
On the surface, it seemed matter-of-fact, women speaking of their concerns,
women lighting candles and doing rituals, women dressed like amateur belly
dancers and doing a turn or two, women letting it "all hang out." But I
discerned something I had never noticed before, it hit me like a revelation.
I suddenly understood, by the act of simply GATHERING for the sake of
MotherGod, Goddess, or the Higher Power, only women, no men allowed, women
in that simple act, affirmed one another's existence, commonality and
concerns. There is GREAT EMPOWERMENT, a liberation from the ever-present
YOKE OF MEN, a way of just getting away from them and all they represent.
And it is different than just being alone in your own home. Here you gather
with sisters, women who are exactly like you, who went through the same shit
you did, who suffered like problems, who endured the same kind of judgment,
criticism and unfair scrutiny you did, trated as slaves, sex objects, second
class minds, and so on; women who are routinely called names when they don't
cooperate with their oppressors, - you all have the same experiences, and
here you are together, being yourself, not worried about your weight, your
makeup, your hair, buttering up male egos because they are the oppressors,
and they are the needy, weak, troubled animals who might strike out at you
if you don't placate them. At last, you are safe, with sisters you can talk
to and let your hair down with.
Of course, these have to be like-minded sisters, with no men to change the
atmosphere. As soon as a man walks in it all changes. The air, the vibes,
the feeling is gone. Now sisters feel unsafe, on trial, judged for their
looks, weight and sex appeal, interfered with, competing with one another.
At the moment competition begins, women then hate each other, each one
wanting to be the to Meow, the most desirable, for these oppressors to fork
over their favor and their resources. Each one wants to be the one that is
loved, none of us wants to be the wallflower, the one left over, while
others are given the dance and the ring. With men, the equation changes, it
is competition, not sisterhood. (Not so with men, they band together in
order to overcome and rape women.)
Now to the Church. If our Church is run like the ordinary Patriarchal
Church, say Methodist or Catholic, male and female file in for services and
all is well. You sit in hard pews, watch male leaders, receive your
Sacraments or rituals, you are done and you go.
Our Church will be different - that I know. I know that at least one
service a week will be for women only, and our service will not be
Patriarchal. I will try and evoke the Spirit of MotherGod, Her Holy Spirit,
which will include not only singing but DANCING, jumping, rejoicing and
receiving the fullness of the Holy Spirit, its baptism, at every gathering.
I do not want hard pews, but cushiony couches where the women and their
children, including NURSING INFANTS can sit very comfortably for long
periods of time, where amenities for women and children are close by - where
a Mother can go change diapers in comfort, or get her children a snack
nearby, all the comforts of home within reach. I want the children as well
as the Mothers to get something delightful out of the MotherGod services.
I do not want nursing Mom's to be afraid of men watching them. You know it
is legal for women to nurse their child anywhere in our country, but women
don't do it for fear. That's one of the reasons children are not given the
nutritious breast but bottle fed the inferior nutrition instead.
When women arrive at service, I want them to know they are in a SAFE SPACE.
They will not have to worry about men watching them, stalking them or their
children later on. They will not have to worry about what they are wearing,
their makeup and appearance, if their skirt goes up to high when they sit or
go into a Holy Spirit trance and fall down and roll around. I want women to
be totally relaxed and they will not be able to do so when men are around!
I also might add here that we will have to have strong security, because men
cannot stand women doing anything where they are excluded. They are
insecure, nosy, and afraid women are up to something, because they know IT
IS EMPOWERING FOR WOMEN TO GATHER AND THEY WANT WOMEN DISEMPOWERED. As long
as you are home, slaving over the hot stove, taking care of children, lonely
and alone, they are satisfied. The minute you want to go out and have fun,
or meet your girlfriends, they get into a tizzy. I have had numerous lady
friends tell me the husband had his night out, but she could not have hers.
How they fear our freedom and our happiness! How they love our slavery and
our desolation, our frustration and depression!
In conclusion, our Church will have safe space and safe haven for women and
children. What I do for the men will be decided later. Women need to get
away from these creatures and have their own life, and worship their own
Also pertinent to this is that WOMEN HAVE BEEN HARMED BY MEN PERSONALLY AND
COLLECTIVELY FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. Their meeting together in Safe Space
with Mother God is a major undertaking, one of monumental proportions. (Do
you realize what an outcry men will make? That might be squelched if we
have services for them as well - except most men care about spiritual things
less than women do, and these services might not be well represented by
them. On the other hand, the services where females are present will be
frequented by males because they want to be with the women more than they do
with God! What if the women don't want to be with them, and most of them
stay away from the with-men services! What an outcry there will be again!
They just won't let us be alone and have our own world!)
SINCE WE HAVE BEEN HARMED so much by men, our gathering together with other
women is different than men gathering with men. Men gather as oppressors,
having the common goal of oppressing women. Women gather as victims and as
potential leaders, seeking understanding and solace. WOMEN NEED THEIR OWN
SPACE TO RECOVER FROM WHAT MEN HAVE DONE, TO GAIN HEALING FROM MOTHERGOD AND
Here are the answers I will channel from MotherGod concerning the Marilyn
I do feel we must rewrite or rework the scriptures of
Catholicism, "EXPUNGING THE EVIL STUFF, WHICH INCLUDES NOT ONLY
MISOGYNY BUT BIGOTRY, ANTI NATURE & ANTI ANIMAL THEOLOGY"
I agree with screening male members, as
males behave very ugly, in my experience.
But, there are men in my life who are real stand-up guys
and I cherish them as if they were my sisters.
MOTHERGOD: DAUGHTER, NO ONE IS TELLING YOU TO GIVE UP FRIENDS AND THOSE YOU
I have met one nice man through your yahoo group
who calls me and IMs me. I have been given permission by your
follower SNAP DRAGON to share that I have been privately
IM with him , and his wife. They are FED UP with patriarchy,
as it applies to the treatment of women in marriage.
We have spent hours seeking alternatives and
feel your new speeches on YOU TUBE are the greatest!
You said ," SO I PUT IT TO THE WOMEN, SHOULD
WE EVEN LET THEM (men) INTO THAT SPECIAL ROOM OR KEEP THEM OUT
I do not think we should do the same to men. I think
any person, male or female, should be allowed, as long as
they prove they are not a problem. People, male or female,
should be segregated , ONLY if they do prove a security problem.
If we discriminate on basis of gender then we are
as evil as the patriarchs. We should discriminate on basis
of ugly sexist inappropriate behaviors and attitudes.
What draws me to your church is this statement
"YES SHE (GOD) IS A SPIRIT & SHE IS LOVE, JUSTICE, TRUTH,
BEAUTY & ALL GOOD. IT IS IMPORTANT TO CHANGE THE HE MENTALITY TO A
SHE, HOWEVER, & THE BIBLE WILL NOT ASSIST US IN DOING THAT"
As the spiritual woman devoted to patriarchy states below,
"The KKK uses the Bible. The Nation of Islam uses the
Koran to rationalize their teaching that Europeans are Devils. Both
organizations preach hatred of others due to Colour or religion or
I worry, Guru Rasa, that our church at WTAG will use
your doctrines to hurt innocent men and that is
why I am still a lukewarm devotee. I am tired of
patriarchy but am concerned that matriarchy
will be just another evil to replace matriarchy.
MOTHERGOD: IF YOU SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES IN MEN AND WOMEN,
THEIR BEHAVIOR, THEIR RECORD, THE STATISTICS, ANECDOTAL INFORMATION AND YOUR
OWN EXPERIENCES, I THINK YOU WILL CONCLUDE THAT WOMEN WILL BE NOWHERE AS
EVIL AS MEN, ALTHOUGH THEY MAY NOT BE PERFECT. CERTAINLY THEY WILL NOT BE
WARLORDS AND START BOMBING EVERYONE TO GET THEIR OIL OR LAND.
I have seen other recent posts here, of others who
feel the same way as I do.
Guru Rasa, I beseech you, as you are the only hope
out here in this rotting world, to bring forth
doctrines that allow freedom for all people,
female or male, Latino, Asian, African, Middle Eastern,
or European to follow the true words of Mother God,
which have been hidden for fear of the inquisition.
MOTHERGOD: IN THE ABOVE ARTICLE PERHAPS RASA HAS QUELLED YOUR FEARS.
Love and Devotion
MARILYN TO: SD
I am surprised you have not
posted a follow up to this
based on our discussion.
I think we owe Guru Rasa
Von Werder an
update on our long talk about
the scriptures that have been
tainted by patriarchs.
Guru Rasa needs our support.
We must share
our findings and discoveries here.
The one thing you said below
regarding the distortion of
the original decrees of
Mother God--that needs repeating:
" This testosterone frenzy is not
by Order of God, but work of the
But men can be saved and salvaged.
You are living testimony
of this, as men like yourself
and others who truly seek spiritual
May God bless!
Your true friend
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Snap Dragon"
> I used to think like this.
> You have some very strong points below
> but I have also looked at
> the writings of Guru Rasa Von Werner
> posted on her website. I believe
> there is some validity to the benefits
> of more female leadership, in our
> present testosterone driven world.
> This testosterone frenzy is not
> by Order of God, but work of the
> Evil One,
> However, we can not argue with scripture
> and your post helps snap this snap dragon
> back to reality thinking, and warns us
> that we can not disobey Jehovah.
MOTHERGOD: JEHOVAH IS BUT A NAME GIVEN BY MEN FOR A GOD WHICH THEY SAID
TOLD THEM TO KILL. IS THIS THE KIND OF GOD YOU WANT?
> more female leadership would help us all
> now , but not to forget what Jehovah has decreed for
MOTHERGOD: GOD HAS NOT DECREED WHAT MALES SAID THEY DECREED, WHY DO YOU
TAKE THEIR WRITINGS SO SERIOUSLY? JUST BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN DOES NOT MEAN
Maybe Matriarchy is going too far in
> the other direction, as women can have an
> evil side too. Your point "in a matriarchal society
> possibly worse atrocities would occur than in our
> patriarchal one"
MOTHERGOD: THIS WAS SAID BY A DEMON IN THE FORM OF A MAN WHO CAME TO SAVAGE
THIS GROUP, AND YOU BELIEVED HIM? is quite VALID!
> I hope Guru Rasa is not offended by
> expression of the Biblical truth here.
MOTHERGOD: 'BIBLICAL TRUTH?' IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE AS ALL BEING THE
WORD OF GOD OR WHAT GOD WANTS, THEN YOU BELIEVE IN MUCH MURDER, GENOCIDE AND
UNFAIRNESS TO WOMEN, CHILDREN, AND PEOPLES OF OTHER RELIGIONS. TAKE A GOOD
LOOK AT THE OLD TESTAMENT AND WEEP. LOOK AT DEUTERONOMY. THESE WERE
OLD-TIME PATRIARCHS FILLED WITH EVIL AND SEDUCTION AND LIES, DON'T BELIEVE
SOME IDEAS IN THE BIBLE ARE HELPFUL, BUT DO NOT GET SEDUCED BY ALL OF IT.
MEN USE IT AS A WEAPON TO HOLD WOMEN DOWN AND TO CONTINUE ATROCITIES CALLED
'HOLY WARS.' THEY SAY IF GOD SAID TO DO GENOCIDE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, THEN
IT MUST BE OK TODAY. DON'T GET SUCKED IN. (MOTHERGOD SPEAKING THROUGH
> The Snap Dragon
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