Rasa Von Werder answers Achim
THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU WHAT FOLLOWS:
YOU SAY THAT YOU WERE EXPERIENCING, AMONG OTHER IMPORTANT SPIRITUAL
EXPERIENCES, A BETROTHAL TO JESUS. SO YOU LOVE HIM VERY MUCH. AS I
LOVE HIM TOO. AND YOU SAY THAT IT DEPENDS ON THE BACKGROUND OF A
PERSON, WHAT KIND OF GOD SOMEONE ENCOUNTERS. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS:
HOW REAL ARE THE GODS AND GODDESSES WHO WE WORSHIP AND LOVE, OR EVEN
ARE ENGAGED WITH OR MARRIED TO? ARE THEY JUST CULTURALLY INFLUENCED
SYMBOLS AND IMAGES OUR BRAINS GENERATE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO
SHOW LOVE TO AN INFINITE GOD
*** This is so profound and difficult I will have to channel the God
within me. I have never gotten a definitive answer to this before. I
will now try. My God within, what is the answer to this?
*** Each human being has to learn how to kow- tow (bend, surrender)
to the God Within, but Churches and Mosques and Temples and Religions
do not have symbols of That God within them. But it is That God Whom
you must reach. In leui or as a substitute for the God within you,
religions present cultural symbols of God, such as Matriarchal or
Patriarchal symbols, according to what they believe or want you to
believe. But ultimately, it is the God Within that you must reach.
When Rasa worshipped Jesus she eventually reached the God Within
through him. (Also meditating yoga style she reached the Atman and
spoke much to It at an earlier time.) He was the symbol and the
inspiration for all that had to be done to go from flesh to Spirit.
His words, his gospel, his death on the cross are all markers of the
Way, the Truth and the Life. You do what He did, you 'become' God or
reach God within you.
This is no different than yoga, as Rasa discovered, and so, she claims
this strongly. Jesus is the Guru of Christianity and He was teaching
yoga - not the Hebrew way of worship. (The Hebrew way of worship
being rather dualistic, although the highest mystics, as usual, get
the point of the God within.)
When 'Jesus' appears is it the historical Jesus or the God within?
One cannot say that Jesus, Mary or saints never appear to us as those
great historical figures. However, in most cases it might just be the
God Within appearing in that form, explaining to us exactly where we
are on the Highway of Love. So at the betrothal, Rasa became a Saint
or entered into the first part of the Unitive way (the Unitive being a
high position with God....one begins to be AtOne with God.) God
appears as Jesus because Rasa is praying to Jesus.
(OR EVEN WORSE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT
IS YOUR POSITION OF COURSE, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO LIVE IN A UNIVERSE
THAT HAS NO INTEREST IN US AT ALL,)
*** There have been many - psychologists, intellectuals, occultists
and such - who say that all this is created by the mind and goes no
farther. However, if you study these persons as I have (study their
lives and see their interior state in vision,) you will find in some
cases they are spiritually dead and many enter into Hell. And so,
they are not able to manufacture the thing that the saints have! They
are not able to rise up into Heaven by psychology, occultism or
intellectualism! There is something far beyond the human mind going
on! Yoga is very good at explaining that we have to go past the mind,
literally discard the mind, to enter into Heaven on earth and in
eternity. The mind itself is a curtain or stumbling block. Live in
the mind/brain alone and you will never attain God. (Now, by the word
mind I am speaking of the mind or attention, or focus being no farther
than the earth and the thoughts and ideas of the earth or even of
loftier things - but falling short of Love and God.....these
intellectual creations go in a circle, round and round and always come
back to the individual and the ego.) Again, the ego and the mind are
the curtain between us and God, and it is through devotional worship
we get past them.
In some cases, the sadhakas (meditators, seekers) might not stand out
as greatly loving people or devoted saints. However, by their decision
to give up everything for God - or the Absolute Truth - (although
these souls are not particularly self-sacrificing toward others in the
way Jesus taught), however they have given up everything for the
Absolute. So they have sacrificed the ego, mind, flesh, and the
world. These souls also attain Reality, Enlightenment and the Absolute.
OR IS THERE A MULTITUDE OF GODS
WHO MAY NOT EVEN KNOW EACH OTHER (LIKE THE GURUS WE HAVE HERE ON
*** Those saints who ascend into Heaven know what they have to know
but they do not know everything. The Gods which are archetypes - who
knows what is going on here? Look at the Pantheon of Hindu Gods.
Brahman, Shiva, Shakti,.....are they real? They are real symbols and
they manifest to us as real. God takes on the clothing of an image or
a body and appears to us and becomes real. Whatever way you worship
or believe, that is the way God will appear to you!
OR IS THERE SOME KIND OF HIERARCHY IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD?
IS THERE ONE GOD WHO IS JOYFULLY ACCEPTING OR EVEN GENERATING THE
LOVE PEOPLE SHOW THE DIFFERENT GODS OF THEIR CULTURE?
*** Who is there among humans who can understand the One Central
God? Can we hold Infinity in our minds and hearts? Everything we
see, think of and imagine is a manifestation of God. We are like ants
to Infinity, and we try and understand It? Like they say, we must
dissolve in the Infinite Ocean of Bliss to get some idea of Who and
What God is. While we are in the human consciousness, it is impossible.
As we surrender all that is of our lower selves, we lose ourselves but
gain God and understanding of God. This is the entire work of
salvation, redemption, devotion. All roads lead to Rome. All good
religions teach us to let go of our lower nature, to die to self, and
then, we rise up to God through grace. Then we see the bigger picture.
BUT IF THAT IS
TRUE SHOULDN'T THERE BE A DIRECT CONNECTION TO THAT ONE GOD ALSO? AS
SOON AS I THOUGHT THAT WAY I WOULD LIKE TO LOVE THAT ONE GOD. HOW
REAL IS JESUS, HOW REAL IS MARY, HOW REAL IS KRISHNA? DO THEY REALLY
HEAR OUR PRAYERS OR DOES OUR DEVOTION TO THEM ONLY HELP US TO FIND
THE GOD IN OURSELVES? BUT IF THAT IS SO, WHY NOT DIRECTLY SEARCH FOR
GOD IN OURSELVES? WHY LIVING IN AN ILLUSION?
*** Yoga does teach that. Siddha yoga is the one I know best, from
Muktananda. He implored his devotees to love and honor the Self,
meaning God Within. Buddhism certainly teaches that. You should
really find the God within you - that is the work, the ultimate goal.
But few religions say that. So those who say,
'I am God....God and I are one....I have seen God face to face and God
and I are the same....'
You saw what happened when I put up my group, 'I Saw God and Lived.'
There was an immediate barrage of extreme attacks from the religious,
accusing me of blaspheming and deadly sin. It is because religion
does not for the most part teach us to seek the God within, but a
symbol of God without.
Let me say this in conclusion:
God within is the Infinite God! When you reach This God within you,
you are there! The greater your surrender and death to self, the
greater will be your acceptance and comprehension of the Infinite God.
You manifest this Infinite God when you die to all things but God.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION /QUESTIONS THAT REALLY
SATISFIES MY MIND AND MY HEART AT THE SAME TIME BY KNOW. IF YOU
COULD HELP ME, I WOULD BE VERY GRATEFUL.
LOVE AND THANKS A LOT IN ADVANCE