LET US RESTORE THE SACREDNESS OF SEX! THE SACRAMENT OF SEX!

THANK YOU FOR THIS
WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE A LOT OF PUZZLES. ONE OF THEM THE LIGHT IS
STREAMING IN ON - IS THE SUBJECT OF SEX. IT NEVER WAS DIRTY,
PATRIARCHY MADE IT SO. IT IS A SYMBOL OF THE HIGHEST UNION BETWEEN GOD
AND THE SOUL, AND IT CERTAINLY CAN BE A SACRAMENT UNDER THE RIGHT
CIRCUMSTANCES. I MIGHT HAVE TO COMPOSE A PAPER LIKE THIS:

~~~ HOW PATRIARCHY HAS DESTROYED AND USURPED THE SACRAMENTS OF HOLY
MOTHER GOD. LIKE SO:

*** THE SACRAMENT OF BREAST FEEDING BETWEEN MOTHER AND BABE - WHICH IS
THE FIRST LOVEMAKING BETWEEN HUMAN AND IT'S HUMAN CREATOR!

*** THE SACRAMENT OF WORSHIPPING WOMEN AS SUPREME, INCLUDING WORSHIP
OF THEIR BODY AS IMAGE OF GOD, ON ALTARS, IN CHURCHES, AND IN HEARTS
(SINCE THIS WAS NOT PERMITTED, IT BECAME A TYPE OF SEXUAL PERVERSION
OR DEGENERATION IN FEMDOM. IT BELONGS ON ALTARS AS WELL AS DOMINATION
SCENARIOS.

*** THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SACRAMENT OF SEX, WHERE THE MALE IS ALLOWED
THE PRIVILEDGE TO HAVE SEX WITH THE CREATRIX OF MANKIND IN HUMAN FORM.
THIS IS A SACRED ACT AND SHOULD NOT BE PUSHED DOWN INTO EMPTY LUST AND
EXPLOITATION (WHICH PATRIARCHY HAS TURNED IT INTO!)

Discussions on this group and:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mothergod/
----- Original Message -----
From: maxwlpwr@...
To: MotherGod@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MotherGod] TANTRA AND MOTHER
YES! YES! YES! This is the conflict that plagues mankind. This is the
engine that drives the patriarchy and suspension of woman kind. I've
not been blessed to see through clearly but just closeness to the
Goddess brings light to my eyes. I feel is in my heart that you are on
the right path. I hope I may cross over to the light before my time in
this life is over.
-----Original Message-----
From: rasa@...
To: MotherGod@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:19:18 -0500
Subject: Re: [MotherGod] TANTRA AND MOTHER

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I LIKE THIS. GOOD STUFF. I THINK I WILL PUT IT ON THE SITE UNDER
'SACRED SEX AND TANTRA' - A NEW PAGE OR ARENA.
ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHAT I SUGGESTED?
IT HELPS ME TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND WHERE YOU ARE GOING. ALL SPIRITUAL
EVENTS MUST BE PUT INTO JOURNAL FORM. ALL DATES RECORDED, LEST THEY BE
FORGOTTEN.
YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE, NOW YOU GO TO THE FINAL SUMMITS.
YOU HAVE THE BEGINNINGS OF BEING A GREAT GURU OF TANTRA SO LET US
BEGIN WITH DEFINING AND EXPLAINING IT.
IN CHRISTIANITY IT IS THE 'SONG OF SONGS' OF SOLOMON - AND IS
CONSIDERED THE HIGHEST MYSTICALL ACHIEVEMENT OF THE BIBLE. I WAS
PLANNING TO DO A PAGE ON IT, NOW IT IS BEGINNING.
TELL ME MORE.
DO YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THE GURU INSTALLATION? ABOUT GURUS - WHEN YOU
WORK WITH ONE, YOU MUST STICK TO IT UNTIL YOU GET ALL THEY HAVE TO
GIVE YOU. IF YOU GO FROM ONE TO THE OTHER TOO QUICKLY, YOU COULD MISS
A LOT OF GRACES. HOW LONG DID YOU STAY WITH EACH ONE? AND I WILL NEED
MORE BIO. OF EACH ONE IN YOUR LETTERS.
WE WILL HAVE TERRIFIC ILLUSTRATIONS!
MUCH LOVE, RASA
----- Original Message -----
From: realityiznow
To: MotherGod@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:02 AM
Subject: [MotherGod] TANTRA AND MOTHER

IN THE WORSHIP OF THE GODDESS SHE IS EITHER WORSHIPED AS MOTHER OR
LOVER..THE MOTHER ASPECT IS PURE AND SAFE..ON THE OTHER HAND..FOR
THOSE THAT ARE READY FOR IT SHE IS A LOVER WHICH IS ALSO VERY SACRED
AND WITH GRACE CAN BE VERY PURE..IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE WILL OF THE
GODDESS..EITHER ITS YOUR KARMA TO SEE HER AS A LOVER OR MOTHER ,SHE
DECIDES WHICH..MOST DO GO THRU THE MOTHER ASPECT..BUT FOR THE ONES
THAT ARE READY AND THIS IS ALSO AFTER A FEW INCARNATIONS OF
PRACTICE ..SHE LIFTS THEM TO LEVEL OF LOVER..EVENTUALLY ALL REACH
TANTRA..THE ULTIMATE UNION IS THAT OF LOVER..ALL MEN ARE SIVA AND ALL
WOMEN ARE SHAKTI..ITS THE DIVINE COUPLE PLAYING THRU MEN AND
WOMEN..PLAYING THRU MILLIONS OF FORMS..GOING THRU THE ILLUSION OF
BEING SEPERATE..ITS WHAT THEY CALL THE UNIVERSAL LILA OR PLAY..ITS
ALL A GAME..EVEN ALL THE HORROR IN THE UNIVERSE IS JUST A PLAY OF THE
GODDESS..SHE IS ALL THAT EXISTS..ITS LIKE A HEAVY NITMARE THAT YOU
FIND YOURSELF IN..AND EVENTUALLY YOU WAKE UP AND REALIZE IT WAS A
DREAM..SO THIS WHOLE EARTH TRIP IS A DREAM SHE IS HAVING THRU ALL OF
US..EVENTUALLY WE WAKE UP AND REALIZE THIS WHOLE EARTH TRIP IS JUST A
DREAM..AND ARE THE DIVINE OURSELVES..I HAD A VISION OF KALI..CHOPPING
OF THE HEADS OF DEMONS..I SAW THAT FROM HER VEIW POINT ..THAT THE
DEMONS WHERE IN BLISS..THE SWORD WAS IN BLISS..EVERYTHING IS INFINITE
BLISS IN REALITY..SHE IS INFINITE ENDLESS BLISS,PLAYING THRU ALL
THINGS..SHE IS PLAYING WITH HERSELF..WHEN YOU SEE KALI WITH THE SWORD
IN HAND ITS SYMBOLIC OF THE EGO BEING CUT OFF..THE HEAD REPRESENTS
EGO..SHE LOOKS HEAVY FOR THE UNINITIATED..BUT FOR THOSE THAT KNOW
HER..SHE IS ABSOLUTE BEAUTY,LOVE AND BLISS UNENDING..IF YOU WANT MORE
INSIGHTS ON KALI ..READ THE LIFE OF RAMAKRISHNA..HE HIMSELF WAS A
GREAT INCARNATION ..IN THE LATE 1890S..HE HIMSELF SAW HIMSELF AS HER
CHILD..HE HIMSELF SAID THAT UNLESS SHE GIVES THE DEVOTEES HER
BLESSING THEY CANT GO FAR WITH TANTRA..IF YOUR IN THE WRONG
SPACE..ITS VERY DANGEROUS..YOU DONT MESS WITH SEX ENERGY..ITS ALL
GRACE TO GET ANYWHERE ON ANY PATH..WITH KALIS GRACE YOU CAN GET TO
GOD IN THIS LIFE..SHE CAN LIFT ALL YOUR KARMA AND IMPURITY IN A
FLASH ,BUT YOU HAVE TO BE TOTALLY DEVOTED AND SURRENDERED,SHE GOES
DOWM INTO THE DEVOTEES SEXUAL CENTRE OR PLANE AND TRANSMUTES IT ALL
INTO PURE BLISS..SO IF ANY ONE WANTS TO GET INTO TANTRA..REALIZE ITS
A VERY POWERFUL ENERGY AND ITS HER GRACE ALONE THAT YOU WILL GET
ANYWHERE..EVEN IN THE TIBETAN TRADITION ITS THE GREAT DAKINI THAT
GRANTS ENLIGHTENMENT..AND IN ZEN BUDDHISM ..A MASTER ONCE SAID.."TO
BE A MASTER OF TANTRA,YOU HAVE TO BE A ZEN MASTER FIRST.." SHAKTI










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WHAT IS HEAVEN LIKE WHEN WE DIE?

RASA'S ANSWERS BELOW: ***
----- Original Message -----
From: "adam smith"
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:59 PM
Subject: [womanthouartgod] religion after life
> Dear Guru Rasa please let me know what religion after life is like.
> I said Syvia Brown book that states that religion involves worship of
> Father God and Mother Goddess whom she calls Asna. She also states that
> in after life people continue to worship the religions which they
> practiced on earth in churches, mosques etc. How can we reconcile this?
*** 'IN MY FATHER'S HOUSE THERE ARE MANY MANSIONS' MEANS DOMAINS OR
PLACES OF CONSCIOUSNESS AND LIFESTYLE.
THERE ARE A COUPLE SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT ON THIS. THE EAST SAYS WE
DISSOLVE AND BECOME ONE WITH THE INFINITE AND THERE IS NO MORE US.
MY QUESTION TO THEM WOULD BE HOW CAN YOU CALL UPON THE PAST AVATARS,
GURUS AND SAINTS, IF THEY DO NOT CONTINUE TO EXIST, ON SOME LEVEL, AS
INDIVIDUALS? (AND HOW CAN YOU CALL ON GODS AND GODDESSES IF THERE ARE
NO INDIVIDUALS....THERE HAS TO BE INDIVIDUALITY ON SOME LEVEL)
THE CATHOLIC VIEW IS THAT WE ARE RESURRECTED BODY AND SOUL. WHEN I
WENT TO THE OTHER SIDE - WAS TRANSPORTED - I SAW WHAT THAT MEANT. YOU
DO NOT TAKE A PHYSICAL BODY BUT YOU DO TAKE YOUR SENSES. YOUR SENSES
ARE EVER MORE PRONOUNCED AND POWERFUL, BECAUSE THEY ARE INNER SENSES.
THESE SENSES SENSE EXACTLY AS IF YOU HAD A BODY!
THE LIFE ON THE OTHER SIDE IS COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE AND VARIES
ACCORDING TO WHAT THE PERSON EARNED IN RIGTHEOUSNESS. BUT IT ALSO
DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY BELIEVED AND DESIRED, WHAT MEANT THE MOST TO
THEM. WHATEVER THEY DESIRE AND WISH FOR, BASICALLY, ONCE THEY ARE IN
HEAVEN, IS WHAT THEY WILL GET.
I SAW THAT CLEARLY WHEN MUKTANANDA HAD SOME VISIONS ON THE OTHER SIDE,
SAW SOME WORLDS THERE, AND THEY WERE ALL ACCORDING TO THE HINDU
TRADITION AND HINDU SYMBOLS. COBRAS, WATER BUFFALOS, PEACOCKS,
LOTUSES, GODS AND GODDESSES, ETC. HE INSISTED THAT THAT WAS THE WAY IT
WAS AND NO OTHER WAY! THAT WAS THE WAY TO HIM, BUT NOT TO SOMEONE WHO
BELIEVED DIFFERENTLY. IT WAS REAL TO HIM, BUT NOT TO A CHRISTIAN.
I HAVE HEARD THE STORIES OF CHRISTIANS WHO WENT TO THE OTHER SIDE AND
GUESS WHAT - THEY SAW JESUS AND ALL THE THINGS OF JESUS THEY BELIEVED
IN AND ALLTHE DISCIPLES, ETC.
AND CATHOLICS? THEY SEE JESUS AND MARY, AND SAINTS.
I FIND IT RATHER AMUSING THAT WHEN I SAW GOD FACE TO FACE TWICE I SAW
NO PEOPLE AT ALL - NO SAINTS, NO PEOPLE. ONLY NATURE, AND I WAS
PERFECTLY HAPPY. THIS MIGHT INDICATE WHERE MY HEAD IS AT - WHAT IT
WOULD TAKE TO MAKE ME HAPPY.
HOWEVER, I AM CONNECTED TO JESUS AND MARY AND THEY BOTH PROMISED THEY
WOULD BE WITH ME AT DEATH AND TAKE ME TO HEAVEN. I AM ALSO IN CLOSE
COMMUNION WITH YOGA SAINTS AND OF COURSE, ALL KINDS OF SAINTS AND
ANGELS. SOMEHOW, IT WILL ALL WORK OUT AND IT WILL BE GLORIOUS.
MUCH LOVE TO YOU
SPIRITUAL MOTHER RASA
> I would appreciate your divine wisdom Guru Rasa. adam (at your feet)

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONVERTING RELIGION AND SAVING SOULS

RASA'S PERSONAL LETTER TO: SUEBRD, GREETINGS.
WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
I BELIEVE THEY WERE TRYING TO CONVERT RATHER THAN SAVE YOUR SOUL. SO
THEY COULD HAVE MORE MORMONS. I DO NOT AGREE WITH THEIR RELIGION BUT I
DO ADMIRE MANY GOOD QUALITIES THEY HAVE AS I HAVE DONE A LITTLE STUDY
ON THEM. I HAD MORMONS COME HERE AND EXPLAIN THE WHOLE DEAL TO ME. AND
BASICALLY I ASKED THEM IF WOMEN HAD EQUAL RIGHTS IN THEIR ORGANIZATION
AND THE MALE AND FEMALE BOTH EXCLAIMED NO. IN FACT, SHE SAID IT WOULD
BE ABNORMAL FOR A WOMAN TO BE A MINISTER.
THAT CLOSED THE CASE FOR ME ON MORMONS.
PLEASE BE AWARE THAT CONVERTING PEOPLE TO ANOTHER RELIGION AND SAVING
SOULS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
SAVING SOULS IS WHEN YOU FIND A 'DEAD' SOUL OR A PERSON THAT IS NOT
LINKED WITH GOD. THE DEAD IN SPIRIT CANNOT RECEIVE THE GRACE OF GOD.
THIS IS WHAT WE ARE FIGHTING. WE ATTEMPT TO 'BRING TO LIFE' OR BIRTH
THE SOULS WHO ARE NOT LINKED WITH GOD. THESE PERSONS, IF LEFT
UNATTENDED, WOULD GO TO WHATEVER HELL THERE IS, WHATEVER WAY ONE
INTERPRETS HELL. BUT THEY CERTAINLY WILL NOT ENTER INTO THE GLORY OF
HEAVEN.
SAVING SOULS IS TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM THIS DISASTER AND MAKE SURE
THEY ARE LINKED WITH GOD AND ENTER GLORY. THAT TAKES WORK, AS SOULS
WHO ARE DEAD HAVE NO IDEA THEY ARE DEAD - BECAUSE THEY ARE TOTALLY
IMMERSED IN SENSE, TIME AND SPACE. IT IS YOUR JOB AS A MISSIONARY TO
CONVINCE THEM THEY NEED TO OPEN THEIR HEART AND MIND TO GOD AND LET
THE GRACE OF GOD ENTER THEIR SOUL. I HAVE DONE LOTS OF THIS KIND OF
WORK AND SOMETIMES IT SEEMS IMPOSSIBLE, AT OTHER TIMES, FAIRLY EASY.
SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS IN STEPS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, OTHER TIMES,
RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW.
I AM AWARE THAT THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE MISGUIDED - IN PARTICULAR
FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS WHO ARE FANATICS - WHO PREACH AND IRRITATING
AND FALSE MESSAGE THAT YOU CAN ONLY BE SAVED BY THE NAME OF JESUS
CHRIST. AND OF COURSE, THEY WOULD CONSIDER EVERYONE NONCHRISTIAN TO BE
LOST AND HEADED FOR HELL. THEY MAY BE SINCERE BUT MISGUIDED AND YOU
CAN ADMIRE THEIR ZEAL AND CONCERN, BUT NOT THEIR DOGMA.
(REMEMBER JIMMY SWAGGART WHO SAID MOTHER TERESA OF CALCUTTA HAD TO BE
SAVED? THESE TYPE PEOPLE WOULD CONSIDER SWAMI G, GANGAJI AND ALL OUR
FAVORITE YOGIS UNSAVED)
ASIDE FROM THAT, THERE ARE OTHERS WHO SEE THE GOD IN ALL RELIGIONS AND
THE BORN AGAIN EXPERIENCE IN ALL RELIGIONS, AND THEY RECOGNIZE THAT
SOULS WHO LOVE GOD ARE LINKED TO GOD, WHATEVER RELIGION THEY ARE IN.
RASA
DISCUSSIONS ON THIS GROUP AND: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mothergod/


From: suebrd
To: Guru_Satsang@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Guru_Satsang] RASA VON WERDER SPEAKS OF HOW TO SAVE SOULS

Rasa,

Earlier this evening two young Mormon missionaries showed up my
doorstep, wanting to save my soul, of course. I told them politely no
thank you. I should have taken down their contact numbers. Forty years
from now (i think i may live that long)...I'd like to ask them how
many souls they actually think they saved.

Anna Ruiz wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: B
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Guru_Satsang] RASA VON WERDER SPEAKS OF HOW TO SAVE SOULS


>AND I SEE NO CONFLICT BEING BOTH DUALIST AND NONDUALIST. I SEE NOTHING
>WRONG WITH IT AT ALL. IT IS ALL PERCEPTION. ALL IS ONE, BUT WE MUST
>REACH OUT TO SOULS TO HELP THEM SEE THEY ARE GOD! BUT WE MUST REACH OUT
>TO THEM IN LOVE!
>THANK YOU........YOU ARE GOD.
>RASA

CONQUERING FEAR - MY DEVOTEE

YOU MUST RESIST THE THOUGHT THAT YOU ARE WEAK AS THAT IS THE HUMAN
SENSE, NEGATIVE PROGRAMMING AND INCORRECT TEACHING FROM THE PAST. YOU
MUST RISE ABOVE YOUR HUMAN SELF AND REALIZE YOU ARE THE SPIRIT INSIDE
YOU - YOU ARE GOD. YOU ARE NOT THE BODY, YOU ARE THE GOD WITHIN YOU.
THAT IS THE PRINCIPAL OF ALL REALIZATION AND ENLIGHTENMENT - THAT YOU
AND MOTHERGOD ARE ONE.
MYSELF AND MOTHERGOD ARE ONE. NO SEPARATION. THERE IS A FUNNEL BETWEEN
YOU AND ME TO KEEP FILLING YOU UP WITH POWER, AND THIS POWER SHOULD
BRING YOU CLOSER TO THE REALIZATION DAILY. ALL MY DEVOTEES ARE
RECEIVING THIS, BUT THEY FREQUENTLY SINK DOWN TO HUMAN SENSE AND THEN
THEY FAIL AND BECOME WEAK -
I HAVE BEEN THROUGH ALL THIS IN MY LIFE AND
'FEAR NOT, I HAVE CONQUERED THE WORLD.'
YOUR GREATEST ENEMY IS FEAR. IF YOU CAN CONQUER THAT, YOU CAN CONQUER
ANYTHING. I LEARNED HOW TO CONQUER FEAR LIKE THIS, WHATEVER I FEAR, I
SAID,
'LET IT HAPPEN. NOTHING CAN SEPARATE ME FROM GOD.....IF GOD WILLS IT,
LET THE THING I FEAR COME UPON ME...'
NOW GOD NEVER WILLS EVIL, SO THE THING YOU FEAR WILL (PROBABLY) NEVER
COME UPON YOU UNLESS IT BE GOD'S WILL, AND IF IT IS GOD'S WILL, THEN
IT WILL BE GOOD, NOT BAD, IN THE END.
THIS IS HOW I CONQUERED FEAR.
EXAMPLE: I FEARED LAZER BEAM SURGERY ON MY EYES BECAUSE IT MIGHT MAKE
ME WORSE, OR EVEN BLIND. THEN ONE DAY I JUST SAID, LET IT BE. IF I GO
BLIND, IT IS GOD'S WILL. THEN THE FEAR WENT AWAY.
I ALSO FEARED FLYING. HAD NOT FLOWN IN YEARS BUT HAD TO FLY FOR THE
TREATMENTS. THEN I DECIDED OK, SO IF THE PLANE CRASHES, IT IS MY TIME
TO DIE. THEN THE FEAR WENT AWAY, FOR THE MOST PART.
FOR BOTH OF THESE DEALS, HOWEVER, I AM NOT SAYNG I AM HERCULES. I ALSO
TOOK ST. JOHN'S WORT - QUITE A FEW CAPSULES, WHICH IS A HARMLESS HERB.
NEVERTHELESS, THE MAIN POINT IS I DID THE FLYING (3 PLANES THERE AND
BACK BOTH TIMES) AND I DID THE TREATMENTS AND TODAY, MY FEAR HAS BEEN
CONQUERED.
THEN THERE IS THE FEAR OF BEING PUBLICLY VILLIFIED.
I FACED THAT AND DECIDED ALSO THAT IT WAS IN GOD'S HANDS. LET THEM
BLAST ME ALL THEY WANT, NO MATTER HOW HEINOUS. IN THE END THEY CANNOT
STOP ME. YES, IT HURTS A LITTLE BIT, THEN IT GOES AWAY. YES, SOME
PEOPLE LEAVE ME BUT THEY WERE MEANT TO LEAVE. IF THEY JUDGE ME THEY
JUDGE THEMSELVES AND ARE NOT MEANT FOR ME.
CONQUER YOUR FEARS ONE AT A TIME. FACE EACH ONE THAT IF IT IS GOD'S
WILL, LET IT COME UPON YOU. ACCEPT GOD'S WILL IN ALL THINGS.
SPIRITUAL MOTHER, RASA







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ABOUT NUDITY, SEX AND GOD

THANK YOU ACHIM FOR THIS WONDERFUL TESTIMONY AND THE LOVE THAT IT
COMES OUT OF.
YES, YOU ARE RIGHT. I SEEK GOD MANIFESTING IN THE SAINTS OF ALL
RELIGIONS, EAST AND WEST. I HAVE CHRISTIAN AND YOGA SAINTS THAT I AM
EXTREMELY CLOSE TO AND I AM OPEN TO SAINTS OF ANY RELIGION.
ABOUT CELIBACY.
I TOOK MY VOW OF CELIBACY FORMALLY TO OUR HOLY MOTHER ON MY KNEES ON
MAY 27, 1978. PRIOR TO THAT I HAD TRIED TO PRACTICE IT, ON AND OFF,
FOR YEARS, BUT NEVER PERMANENTLY.
THEN ONE DAY AFTER I PRAYED THIS PRAYER:
'MOTHER, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO BE THE MOTHER OF MY BODY AS WELL AS MY
SOUL,'
THE ROOM FILLED WITH BLUE LIGHT AND OUT OF THAT LIGHT CAME HER VOICE,
'I WANT YOU TO STOP HAVING SEX WITH MEN.'
I WAS SHOCKED, ALTHOUGH I HAD PRAYED FOR THIS. I TOLD HER I WOULD
THINK ABOUT IT. I THOUGHT FOR FIVE DAYS, IN DISTRESS. I VACILLATED. ON
THE FIFTH DAY MY INNER VOICE PROCLAIMED LOUDLY,
'IF YOU DON'T DO THIS, YOU WILL ALWAYS KNOW YOU WERE A COWARD.'
THAT NIGHT I TOOK MY VOW. SHE GAVE ME THE GRACE TO KEEP IT.
CELIBACY IS A MANY YEAR PROJECT. TO QUIT THE DESIRE FOR SEX IS THE
GOAL, SO THAT YOU ARE RID OF THE TORTURE/TORMENT OF SEXUAL DESIRE. THE
FIRST FEW YEARS WERE THE MOST DIFFICULT. MY INTENSTINES BECAME
PARALYZED FOR SIX YEARS.
I NOTICED THAT BY 1990 I WOULD SAY MOST OF MY SEX DRIVE WAS GONE. AT
THAT POINT GOD SAID TO ME FROM WITHIN,
'YOU CAN HAVE SEX AGAIN IF YOU WISH.'
I THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR WEEKS AND FELT TORMENT. FINALLY I SAID,
'I DON'T WANT TO.'
YOU SEE, SEX BRINGS ADDICTION, SEX BRINGS EMOTIONAL TORMENT, AND SEX
DRAGS A PERSON DOWN INTO THE FLESH. SO YOU NO LONGER SEE YOUR LIFE
OBJECTIVELY BUT THROUGH THE PRISM OR LENS OF A DESIRE. CERTAINLY
ENTERING INTO THE FRAY OF SEX DOES CAUSE MUCH COMPLICATIONS. I DID NOT
WANT THAT, I DID NOT WANT THIS DESIRE FLOWING THROUGH MY VEINS.
THE PURPOSE OF CELIBACY IS TO GET RID OF THE SEX DRIVE AND THE
PROBLEMS IT BRINGS, AND THE FACT THAT SEX DESIRE CAN INTERFERE WITH
THE RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
AND THAT IS HOW IT HAS BEEN EVER SINCE. DO I NEVER FEEL DESIRE? LUST
CAN BE A DEMON. RECENTLY MY FRIEND POSTED SOME EROTIC PHOTOS OF NUDE
MEN ON ONE OF MY GROUPS. THEY WERE REALLY ATTRACTIVE. THE NEXT THING I
NOW, I AM TORTURED BY LUST. I HATED IT. I DID NOT GIVE IN TO IT IN ANY
MANNER. FINALLY, LAST NIGHT I SAW IT WAS A DEMON. SENT FROM HELL BY MY
FIRST HUSBAND STANLEY, WHO IS IN HELL. I BELIEVE I AM RID OF THE DEMON
NOW. THERE IS SUCH A THING AS 'DEMON OF LUST.' IT IS AS EVIL AS ANY
OTHER DEMON THERE IS.
THAT IS THE STORY OF MY CELBACY.
I NEVER SAID SEX IS EVIL, BUT IT CAN BRING EVIL INTO A PERSON'S LIFE.
AND CERTAINLY, IF ONE WANTS TO SEE GOD FACE TO FACE, THEY CANNOT BE
ATTACHED TO ANYTHING OF THE FLESH.
THE IDEA OF THE NUDITY AND BEAUTY ON MY SITE AND GROUPS IS TO SEE THE
HUMAN BODY AS THE CREATION OF GOD, AND IT IS SACRED. MICHAELANGELO,
FOR HIS DAY, WAS THE ULTIMATE IN SEX APPEAL...... IF NUDITY IS IN THE
SISTINE CHAPEL, WHY IS IT WRONG ON MY CHURCH SITE? PEOPLE DO GET A BIT
HYSTERICAL AT THE MIX OF NUDITY AND SPIRITUALITY, BUT THEY DO BELONG
TOGETHER IF IT IS ARTISTIC AND BEAUTIFUL - CERTAINLY ALL OF CREATION,
IN ITS NATURAL GLORY, IS GOD. IT'S HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, AND IT MUST BE
DISPLAYED TASTEFULLY.
IT IS PATRIARCHY THAT PUT THE STIGMA ON NUDITY AND SEX, IN ORDER TO
CONTROL PEOPLE'S (MOSTLY WOMEN'S) BEHAVIOR. IN MATRIARCHY, NUDITY AND
SEX WERE ACCEPTED AS NATURAL AND MORALLY INNOCENT PARTS OF LIFE.
MUCH LOVE, RASA
Discussions:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/womanthouartgod/----- Original Message
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From: Achim Wollmershäuser
To: MotherGod@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 6:53 AM
Subject: [MotherGod] Appreciation

Hello friends of God and friends of Rasa, dear Rasa,

I want to thank Rasa and express my appreciation again for the
amazing work she is doing. I don't know how anyone can do that much
every day. Being a member of more than 600 groups seems
incomprehensible to me.

I have tried to share some of my thoughts at this group and I am
still impressed about the seriousness of Rasa to talk about God, to
strengthen our relationship to the divine. What amazes me is the
fact that she does not seem to care where new insights come from,
from the east (Buddhist and Hindu traditions) or even from American
revivalist preachers and faith healers like Aimee Semple Mc Pherson
and William Branham (a male!). She just is trying to find out what
seems to nurture & strengthen true fellowship with God / Mother God
and what is leading her on in her knowledge about and her devotion
to God.

I have not yet had the opportunity to express my appreciation for
the gallery on her website. The beauty of the women portrayed is
awesome (I have my favourites, of course) and they open in my heart
the desire to be connected to the God who created such mysterious
beauty.

Now I want to ask a question to Rasa:

Rasa, I know that you have decided to live as a celibate, but you
seem to enjoy beautiful people. What do you do with erotic feelings?
What exactly do you mean by living celibate? What does it include?

I am looking forward to your answer

With love and respect

Achim













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WHAT IS THE TRUTH?

Part I - What is Ego?

There seems to be a bit of confusion about who is Enlightened and who
is not, about ego and no ego, about dualism and nondualism. Let us
look into some facts.

First of all, no human can function with any facility WITHOUT ego.
What is ego? Identification with the flesh, the time/space world, the
human mind and all that. I hear so much talk in yoga circles that
really is a lot of nonsense. The idea being that in our normal waking
state, our everyday life, we should have no ego at all. Let me share
with you what we'd be like with no ego.

There have been many cases, and still are, of beautiful souls in God,
who have no ego. They sit in a trance under a tree, or in a garden,
or in some lonely temple, and they remain absorbed in God. People
notice them and kindly souls - one or more - provide for them. They
have to be given food and shelter. They become unkempt, dirty, their
hair matted, their nails like claws. Sometimes, they turn into skeletons.

Many Saints went into this samadhi (Ramana Maharshi) but later came
out of it and functioned very well. I know of numerous Christian
Saints, in medieval days, who went into this samadhi also, and stayed
in some degree of it for years, until they found Enlightenment.

The most famous 'fool for God' who fell into chronic trances was Sri
Ramakrishna. He couldn't keep a job - not even the simplest one.
He was only good at one thing - God worship. Other people had to
provide for him. He could not even function as Priest in the Kali
Temple - his trances were so frequent. So he was relieved of the job,
given room and board and remained a dependent for the rest of his
life. What did Ramakrishna have to say regarding ego? He said,

'It always comes back.'

Even the champion of trance admits to some ego. He made a distinction
between 'ripe' and 'unripe' ego. I believe what this meant was that
the soul who loves God totally has a 'ripe' and the one who does not,
is unripe.

Ego is not a sin! Ego is something natural that one must have in
order to survive in daily
living! Having ego is no sort of denouncement of a person, it is a
natural fact of life. (Here let us assert that 'ego' does not mean
'egomaniac' or 'egotist' in the sense of vain or proud person.)

To be in a state of 'no ego' has to be a temporary rather than a
permanent situation. When Sri Ramakrishna went into his six-month
Nirvikalpa Samadhi, he could have died had not Totum Puri fed him with
rice water. When he came out of it, the Avatar said,

'I would rather taste sugar than be sugar.'

Ramakrishna was good at what he did - being an Avatar. It was his
mission. In India, these sort of people go into trances. It is
expected of them, it gives them credibility, it is a spiritual aspect
of all their Saints.

Other souls are holy too - and they also meditate and go into samadhi.
But it has to be a temporary thing. Come on - we have to pay our
bills! We have heavy responsibilities; homes, cars, children,
grandchildren, medical and dental appointments, schools and work,
among other things. Without ego, or identification with this world,
we could not manage these activities. In fact, the most successful
people have to have their 'feet on the ground' no matter how much they
love God. Sometimes they cannot afford the luxury of hours of
samadhi, no matter how much they'd like to be in meditation.

In the best of both worlds, a person loves God with all their heart,
soul and mind, and with all their strength and they have what ego they
need to maintain life. They are not puffed up, pompous, vain and
proud. They are normal. I resent terribly yoga experts who accuse
people of 'having ego.' Without ego you wouldn't take a bath, wash
your hair,
wear clean clothes, because your mind is absent from the body.


Part II About Desires and Suffering

Another thing yoga/Buddhist pundits espouse is to be without desires.
In fact I've heard claims from people that they don't have desires.
Take all this with a grain of salt. There have been so many Gurus,
Swamis, Lamas who claim they have no desires, yet their behavior is
the same as everyone elses. In fact, they even claim they are past
the human state. (They say they don't get upset or mad, but try and
contradict what they say and see what happens.) This flies in the
face of the lives of, for example, Jesus and Ramakrishna. Both these
saints had desires, and they suffered greatly.

Ramakrishna was so upset with not getting a Vision from Kali, that he
picked up a sword and was going to kill himself. Luckily, God quickly
gave him Vision. Later on, he almost had a nervous breakdown
yearning for Narendra. He said he was dying from longing and love. He
had desires for his 'boys,' he had desires to run the mission. He
also liked smoking, an earthly desire or addiction. He had innocent
and holy desires. But don't accuse any Lama Dorky's of desires!
They'll bite your head off!

Jesus also had desires. He desired to save souls. He desired
relationships and friends. He cried when Lazarus died, he loved the
company of Mary Magdalene. And no one has to tell you how much He
suffered!

But don't tell any puffed-up yogi about this! He'll tell you he has
no desires, no ambitions, no mission,
and suffering is only for deluded souls. In fact, he'll make you feel
guilty if you suffer,

'There is something wrong with you! If you are suffering, it proves
you are ego based!'

Tell that to Jesus and Ramakrishna!

Part III About Enlightenment

Another strange thing some Realized or Enlightened souls will tell you is,

'I am in the highest place of attainment and there is nothing beyond
this.'

You wonder. Then you pray. And God says,

'A person could be in a state of Enlightenment, but that state is
relative. A human is like a cup which grows. When the cup is full,
the person is in a state of Enlightenment. But after the cup gets
bigger, there is some emptyness, and one must reach for Enlightenment
again. Enlightenment is when your capacity for God is full.'

Then one remembers. You learned long ago that everyone in Heaven is
happy. And yet, there are untold mansions in Heaven, some lower, some
higher. Yet, they are all perfectly happy. Why? Because each and
every one is full. The cup does not grow any more. One stays filled
with God to capacity forever, and since one's capacity is full, one is
always happy.

Part IV Dualism vs NonDualism

Probably the funniest claim of all time is the 'Nondualist'. The
nondualist is like the one without ego. If you are without ego, as I
said, you forget your body. And the processes of your body can run
havoc in appearence and smell.
In order to be in a nondualistic state, you must also forget your
body. It is really the same thing. Look at these things which are
the same or almost the same:

No ego
Nondualistic state
No desires, no ambition

Unless you want to 'drop out' of normal life, you cannot live in a
'nondualistic' state. The best there is - the state of Avatars,
Saints, is the dual-nondualistic state. The nondualistic state again,
like no-ego state, has to be temporary. You see or experience God for
a while. It could be seconds, minutes, hours, weeks or months. Then
you come out of the 'other world' and you are normal again. For those
who claim to be 'nondualistic' all the time, to give them the benefit
of the doubt, it is partial nondualism. If you are functioning as a
separate human being, doing things as an individual, then you are
dualistic. When you talk to people, send e mails, you are being
dualistic, and so on - take it from there. The best of this world is
to understand nondualism and keep it in your psyche, perhaps
experiencing it from time to time. Anyone who is saying they are
nondualistic all the time will have to prove it to me. And they can't.

Part V Can You Tell Who is Enlightened?

The greatest story in this regard is when Our Lord Jesus sat with His
disciples and said to them,

'Who do they say I am?'

One disciple said they say you are so and so. Another said they say
you are this and that. But Peter suddenly piped up with,

'You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God!'

And Jesus told Peter that it was not man, but the Holy Spirit that had
given him this.

Now you have to laugh when humans think they can see, by outside
appearences, who is Enlightened and who is not. They go by human
respect. Who has the title or the degree or the respectable position
- surely that one could be Enlightened. But the one who has washed
floors for twenty years to make a living, that one is probably not.
The maids, the waiters and waitresses, the construction workers, the
prostitutes on the street, they are probably not Enlightened. But
then the one they assumed was Enlightened is discovered a vagabond and
a charlatan. And everyone got fooled. And God watched as the
respectable Cardinal or Pope was hauled off to a long Purgatory or
even Hell, while the hooker, window washer, or even thief, made it to
Heaven alright.
Now what is happening here? Enlightenment, holiness and Realization
are hidden states. They are not made obvious by outside appearences.

'God judges the heart.'

Did God not say through Jesus,

'Blessed are the Poor?'

These poor are the ones you overlook. They are needy, uneducated,
disrespected, and losers by the standard of the world. These people
might be in misery. In great suffering - that state some yogis scorn
- can be found holiness. Yes, suffering can cleanse. And also,
suffering can lead to Enlightenment. Who suffers you might ask?
Those who are overlooked, hated and ridiculed. Certainly not the
Harvard, MIT graduates, nor the Vassar women of this world. The
people that are marginalized from the outskirts of society are most
likely the ones who suffer. And they could be the next ones ready for
Heaven as soon as the trumpet calls. There is no evidence of their
Enlightenment, but it is there!

To Sum Up

To sum up, I am a bit tired out by the 'wisdom' of those who claim
they know it all and have it all, and everyone else is ego-bound, in
deep bondage and far from Truth. There seems to be a bit of
swaggering going on as to who knows the most and has the highest
state. I am wondering how God judges Enlightenment. I prefer the
axiom I have always heard from the saints, that on the day of
judgement, we will all be measured by one thing and one thing only.
And that thing is CHARITY.

For myself, I resolve I will not be a respecter of persons. I will
not judge by outward appearences. I will look at everyone as if they
might be an incarnation of God, and that way, I will not be offensive
just in case they are. I will wait for the Holy Spirit to tell me who
is Enlightened and who is not. I will not assume one is Enlightened,
nor that another is not. I will wait for the Truth to reveal Itself
to me.

NUCLEAR FAMILY PATRIARCHAL STRATEGY AGAINST WOMEN

There is a secret men have to the strategy of child abuse that
directly relates to controlling women. I have not heard any pundit or
social commentator speak of the following - that the abuse of children
goes beyond sexual gratification. It is, at base, part of the
strategy to break down and control women and men when they are
children, in order to modify their behavior when they grow up.

First of all, this abuse cannot easily happen in a matriarchal
setting. It has to take place in secrecy and privacy. When
matriarchy exists, with women all around providing care and protection
of children, men cannot have their way. The nuclear family, the first
step in abuse, separates the physically weak and places them with the
predator, who is strong and ill intentioned. It takes women and
children away from protection and puts them in an area of
vulnerability. Thus isolated, the predator can have his way with the
defenseless and the frightened.

But to get to my point. Is all this merely for the sake of sexual
gratification or is there something more mysterious and sinister
inside of it? Indeed, I see that there is a method to the madness of
men. (As always, I apologise to those men who are righteous. If the
shoe does not fit, don't put it on.) Let us take a strong, hard look
at what happens in abuse and how it modifies the behavior of children
as adults.

On a deep level of the unconscious what the man wants to do is destroy
the independent strength of the child. The child is put into a
position, when it cannot defend itself or make a decision, of bonding
with someone who does not love it, but wants control. This control
happens through breaking down the psyche of the child and wounding it
for life. Even when the child grows up it has a bond, however evil,
with the father, grandfather or uncle who chronically abused it. No
matter how hard the child tries to forgive and forget, it has been
programmed to have a link, a fear and a bond with a patriarch - a male
parent - instead of a nurturing female parent. The child, in infancy
and even in later years, cannot reason out of a psychological dilemma.
It is outrightly hypnotic. An abused child forever sees a male as
the one it has bonded with - however heinously - and an emotional fact
has occured that cannot be easily erased.

How does a child feel with its parents? Both the Mom and Dad are seen
as Godlike figures of authority. The child also desperately needs
love, which means psychological nourishment or affirmation. In the
case of a benevolent Mom or Dad, this is provided. The child then is
reared toward independence and liberty on its own two feet. It is
free to make sane and logical decisions as soon as she/he grows up.
The mind, the psyche, which was loved, nurtured and affirmed has a
strong basis to face life with.

The child who has been sexually abused by males in the home is in a
different place. This Godlike person or persons who abused it -
usually Dad and it starts, average, at eighteen months - has created a
heinous rather than a nurturing bond. Something unsavory has taken
place but the child, at a young age, cannot know this. It can know
physical pain as in being raped by a large organ into a small orifice,
but it does not understand the psychology of it. The child feels pain
and that is all. At a later age, say seven, eight or nine, a child
might be able to understand the psychological ramifications of some of
this, but not as an infant. During the abuse the child, even when
pain is inflicted upon it, bonds with this evil Dad, and that bond is
not broken when the child grows up and knows it was abused.

What is the strategy in all this? Beyond sex, it is patriarchy doing
what it knows best - stealing, killing and destroying. It, as I
said, destroys the independence of the child and makes the child see
male instead of female (Mom) as authority (through a sick bond), and
that prepares the child to live in a patriarchal world. In our world
the male domination continues and the child has been prepped for it by
abuse.

Once again as in the past I stress that the nuclear family is the
hotbed of abuse for children and Moms, and the matriarchal setting,
with many women around, is the safest and best place for women,
children, and boys.

To recap what I have said, men abuse little girls and boys as a way of
controlling them for a male domination world. It isn't only for
sexual gratification. The culprit is patriarchy, the solution is
matriarchy.