BEATA'S RESPONSES TO AN ARTICLE FROM RASA
RASA FURTHER CLARIFIES IN ITALICS
RASA: Some of my lady friends are catering to, or at least, warmly tolerating these men, feeling that from this group a worthy catch can be made; the ideal man we powerful ones are seeking; that obedient, giving man who will supply our needs. The femdom guy sounds like he hits the spot. Look at all the things he says! He sounds too good to be true. If only half of what he says is right, he should be ok.
BEATA: I don't like to stereotype men...
SORRY, I DID NOT STEREOTYPE THEM. I NEVER SAID 'ALL' ARE OR 'ALL' AREN'T. SPEAKING IN GENERAL AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS CLEAR.
...who seek dominant women. I know that some of these so-called submissive men are big time manipulators, but it is up to each women to screen out these men for sincerity and compatibility.
I AM NOT FORCING ANY WOMAN TO DO ANYTHING. I AM THE VOICE OF EXPERIENCE AND GIVING THE BENEFIT OF THIS EXPERIENCE. WHAT I HAVE LIVED THROUGH.
RASA: Now I am going to appeal to women to hear me out, and trust my experience. Although all logic says, 'They are right for matriarchy', I will tell you from experience that they are not. Or at least, no more so than regular guys. Matter of fact, I would wager by a margin you could find a better guy in the 'real world.'
BEATA: I know exactly what you mean. But all men have a propensity to be submissive as they have this seed planted in them from birth and it is reinforced by female authority figures in childhood. Some men who are into femdom will not make suitable partners for a woman just like regular men. But this does not mean that they should be marginalized or stigmatized...
THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM DOING. I AM SIMPLY TELLING YOU WHAT HAPPENS FROM EXPERIENCE. IT IS NOT TO STIGMATIZE THEM, IT IS FOR WOMEN TO BE AWARE OF WHAT HAPPENS AND NOT PUT SO MUCH HOPE IN THEM NOR WASTE TOO MUCH TIME. I AM DOING THIS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE WOMEN WHO MUST RULE THE WORLD. THE WRONG GUYS ARE LIKE BARNACLES ON A SHIP OR REMORAS ON A WHALE. TOO MUCH TIME WITH THEM CAN SLOW YOU DOWN, NOT TO MENTION WAYLAY, DISAPPOINT, FRUSTRATE AND MADDEN ONE.
...for their sexual preferences. Rather they should be judged based on the merits of their conduct just like any other man. For now, these femdom men are at least interested in Matriarchy.
THEY SAY THEY ARE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF YOUR OPINION CHANGES IN TIME, BEATA. SIX MONTHS, A YEAR FROM NOW I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HOW EXPERIENCE MIGHT CHANGE YOUR OPINION. I AM WAITING WITH BAITED BREATH. ALREADY THEY HAVE FOR THE SECOND TIME INVADED MY WTAG SITE, AND THEY ARE USING UP PRECIOUS TIME OF MINE THERE, PRESENTING THEIR USUAL MASQUERADE.
Perhaps this is a process for some of them where they will be able to evolve into a deeper understanding of what it means to serve the interests of women and children primarily but in addition to their own needs.
RASA: I have learned this: Those men who are aggressively seeking to be dominated have a Pandora Box of needs, fetishes, fixations and desires that you might not want to face on a regular basis. These guys have raging sex needs, even moreso than the average guy. Men in general (as even women) have problems, but these guys have problems on top of problems. They need therapy, role playing, theatrical productions, fetish playout, and extreme attention. They do not want 'regular, normal sex.' They want things unusual, which are difficult to play out. Most of these men do not need a wife, they need a professional domme or mistress. Some of them have wives or long-time girlfriends, but they go elsewhere for their needs. They just don't have the guts to bring their strange desires to the little lady - with good reason. Usually, she can't wait to get a divorce or send him to a psychiatrist (this happened to some of the guys I knew in the scene.) Few regular women would put up with it. The men who are in the game are so needy, so very needy, they make ordinary guys, (who are sex pigs without a doubt) look like schoolboys!
BEATA: What constitutes normal in terms of human sexuality is varied and broad. The reason why many of these men hide their masochistic desires from their wives and girlfriends is out of fear of not being understood, and also because some of their fantasies could not be realistically practiced in a relationship. However, how can these men feel comfortable with their sexual desires when society has programmed both women and men to believe that such expressions of sexuality are pathological? This would only reinforce the need for secrecy and feelings of shame in the male. Times are changing and with more education and awareness femdom is being brought into the mainstream which will normalize alternative sexual practices.
SOMEHOW BEATA YOU THINK THAT I AM TRYING TO HURT THESE POOR MEN. AGAIN, YOU ARE DOING WHAT SOCIETY DOES INCESSANTLY - SEE IT ALL FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE. SO YOU ARE DEFENDING THEM. WHO DID I WRITE THIS ARTICLE FOR, THE MEN? NO, IT WAS WRITTEN FOR THE MATRIARCHAL WOMEN WHO ARE SEEKING A MALE WHO WOULD BE COMPATIBLE. YOU ARE FEELING SORRY FOR THESE FEMDOM MEN AND NOW WE THE MATRIARCHAL WOMEN HAVE TO DO THIS AND THAT TO MAKE THEM COMFORTABLE, TO HELP THEM. ALWAYS THE MAN. ALWAYS MAKE SURE HE IS ALRIGHT, NOT HURT. MAKE SURE HE IS NOT MARGINALIZED. MAKE SURE HE IS TAKEN CARE OF. NO PREJUDICE TO HIM. THE MAN, THE MAN THE MAN. CAN YOU NOT SEE THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING?
I AM WRITING FOR THE WOMAN, THE WOMAN, THE WOMAN. WE ARE NOW AT A BASELINE OF WHERE WE MUST GO, TO THIS OR THAT POINT. THE POINT IS MATRIARCHY AND WOMAN - HOW WILL WOMEN GET THERE? AND I AM TELLING YOU, THEY WILL NOT GET THERE WITH THESE REMORAS. YOU ARE DEFENDING THE MEN WHICH IS BUSINESS AS USUAL. I BELIEVE, AT BASE, IT IS BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME. YOU SOULFULLY BELIEVE THAT THE IDEAL MATE WILL COME OUT OF FEMDOM. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO THIS, GOOD LUCK, AND YOU WILL SEE BY EXPERIENCE. MAYBE YOU WILL BE THE LUCKY ONE WHO WILL INDEED FIND A GOOD GUY FROM THERE. I NEVER HAVE. I HAVE FOUND A COUPLE FRIENDS, BUT NEVER MET A MAN WHO WOULD BE A GOOD MATE OR PARTNER OR HUSBAND FROM THE FEMDOM WORLD.
RASA: My advise is to cast a wide net, when looking for a man, and make sure that net includes the regular world. If I had to guess where you could find a decent guy I would put it like so: 75% of all men in femdom are inappropriate for matriarchal mates, and maybe 60% of the 'regulars' are unfit. There is more of a chance finding a 'relaxing'
I USED THAT WORD 'RELAXING' FOR A REASON. IN THE ARTICLE ON 'FUTURE OF MALE-FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS
ON SITE, I TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR WOMEN TO RELAX. IN OUR FUTURE WORLD, WITH WOMEN OUTSTRIPPING MEN IN EDUCATION, GETTING 200,000 MORE DEGREES THAN MEN YEARLY (IN FIVE YEARS ONE MILLION MORE DEGREES FEMME DEGREES AROUND TAKING JOBS) THE SHIFT WILL GO FROM MEN HOLDING THE BEST PAYING JOBS, THE MOST RESPONSIBLE JOBS, TO THE SHOES ON THE WOMAN. NOW THE WOMAN WILL BE THE BIG BREADWINNER AND HARD, RESPONSIBLE JOB WHERE MANY DECISIONS ARE AT STAKE. SHE BRINGS HOME THE BIG BACON, THE LITTLE MAN WILL BRING HOME PEANUTS COMPARED TO HER. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN INSTANTLY, BUT OVER YEARS.
(I DID PREDICT HERE THAT CHILDCARE WILL NOT BE LEFT IN THE HANDS OF MEN FOR WHAT IS BECOMING OBVIOUS REASONS; MOLESTATION AND AT BEST, LACK OF COMPETENCY.)
NOW THE WOMAN WHO HAS THIS HARD, WELL PAYING JOB WILL NEED A RELAXING, NOT A DEMANDING MALE TO COME HOME TO. SHE DOES NOT NEED A BIG BABY WITH INFANTILE NEEDS WHO DEMANDS SHE TURN INTO A DOMME WHEN SHE COMES HOME AT NIGHT! I WAS A DOMME, AND YOU GET PAID BIG MONEY BECAUSE IT IS LABOR INTENSIVE. THIS IS NOT WHAT THE POWERFUL WOMAN OF THE FUTURE WILL BE WILLING TO DO. SHE WILL NEED A MUCH MORE TOGETHER MALE WHO WILL BE WILLING TO IN SOME DEGREE, SURRENDER TO HER NEEDS, WHICH ARE NOT ALWAYS SEXUAL.
IT IS A MALE FANTASY THAT WOMEN ARE RAGING SEX FREAKS JUST AS THEY ARE. WE HAVE BEEN FEEDING THEIR FANTASIES FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. WOMEN IN SOME CASES, JUST WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE. THEY WANT TO READ THE PAPER, DO THE INTERNET, WATCH TV, AND HAVE SOMEONE FETCH AND CARRY FOR THEM. SEND JOHN HUBBY TO THE STORE FOR GROCERIES, HAVE HIM MAKE DINNER AND KEEP THE HOUSE CLEAN.
BUT TO HAVE THIS RAGING SEX FREAK WANT YOU TO DRESS HIM UP AS A GIRL AND POP HIM UP THE CAN WITH A DILDOE MIGHT NOT BE WHAT MZ CEO WANTS TO DO AT NIGHT FOR RELAXATION.
IF SHE HAS SUCH A GUY, SHE MIGHT PREFER TO SEND HIM TO A DOMME. BUT IF SHE HAS TO DO THAT TO MAKE HIM HAPPY, IS HE REALLY A GOOD HUSBAND? THIS IS WHAT I AM SAYING. THE NEW MAN WILL BE NEITHER THE TYPICAL 'REGULAR' GUY NOR WILL HE BE THE RAGING FEMDOM MAN - I DEFINED WHAT THIS MAN WOULD BE IN GENERAL TERMS, IN THE ARTICLE OF FUTURE OF MALE FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS ON MY SITE:
THIS NEW MAN WILL BE CHARMING AND HAVE SOCIAL SKILLS MEN DON'T HAVE TODAY. HE WILL BE ARTICULATE AND WELL VERSED IN THE HUMANITIES AND SUBJECTS OF INTEREST TO WOMEN. NO HE WILL NOT BE A GAY BLADE, TALKING ABOUT DECORATING AND RECIPES, BUT HE WILL BE A CONVERSATIONALIST AND LISTENING. SOMETHING MEN ARE WOEFULLY SHORT ON RIGHT NOW. NO 'STRONG SILENT' TYPES NEED APPLY BECAUSE WOMEN NEED COMPANIONSHIP. THE BEST COMPANIONS, THE MOST COMPETENT AT SUPPORT AND BACKGROUND WORK, WILL BE THE FUTURE IDEAL HUSBAND.
HEY, IT ISN'T ABOUT SEX! THE OBSESSION WITH SEX IS THE MALE PROBLEM, NOT THE FEMALE'S. STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT FEMALES PRETEND TO BE 'IN ESTRUS' TO KEEP THE MALE HUMAN INTERESTED 24/7 AND THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT. DOES NOT TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO FIGURE OUT THAT IN THE PATRIARCHAL WORLD WE HAVE TO BAIT HIM BY SEX. IN A DIFFERENT WORLD, WE CAN STOP PRETENDING.
...and therefore appropriate male in the regular world than femdom.........The femdom men, once they get you alone, and live with you day in day out, would make you want to kill yourself, if you know what I mean.
BEATA: The woman is instrumental in driving the evolution of society in a Modern Matriarchy. So women will socialize men to a great degree especially in relationships. Relationships are the foundation of every social institution. Femdom should never be the foundation of a relationship because such a relationship would not work. But it certainly has a place in Matriarchy and with the ascendancy of female leadership in the society, the male's submissive desires will be triggered more as he becomes more in tune with and aroused by powerful women.
LET US DEFINE FEMDOM. MEN IN THE FUTURE WILL ACCEPT DOMINATION AS NATURE. WHAT I AM OBJECTING TO AND SAYING IS COUNTER PRODUCTIVE IS THEIR ELABORATE SEXUAL SCENARIOS. ARE WE ON THE SAME PAGE?
RASA: It all comes down to this: need. Men in general are immature, weak and needy compared to women. But those in the domination scene are even needier, and many are passive-aggressive. They are demanding and that is the opposite of what you want! And if you think you can ignore their needs, think again. They become sullen, moody, depressed and totally uncooperative and if the needs are not met! They cannot function without their outlet. Some are fixated in childhood scenarios or pre-puberty, playing out fixations again and again. Others have compulsions with their fetishes, which they manage to hide, which would now be your responsibility. If you think, and believe, that those ads they write are for real, then I'll sell you a bridge. By 'intelligent, educated, docile male' seeking 'dominant woman to serve' really means,
BEATA: I have encountered such men. This is self-sabatoging behavior and may be indicative of an emotional and social deficit related to childhood and it is not relegated to just men with conscious masochistic desires either. But the bottom line is that women are pivotal to men overcoming these issues.
AGAIN, WOMAN AS NURTURER. DO YOU HAVE TIME FOR ALL THIS? DO YOU WANT TO BE HIS NURSE, THERAPIST AND SOCIAL WORKER? I DON'T. I AM SIMPLY SAYING THESE WHO ARE THE MOST NEEDY YOU WILL HAVE TO OVERLOOK AND KEEP MOVING TO THE ONES WHO ARE TOGETHER, TO SAVE ALL THAT WORK YOU HAVE TO DO ON THE BROKEN. BEATA, YOU ARE SAYING WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THESE GUYS, ONCE AGAIN. WOMEN FOREVER ARE THE CAREGIVERS OF MEN. CAN WE STOP TAKING CARE OF THEM AND TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES AND THE PLANET, AND MOVE ON WITH THE STRONGER MALES? THE PSYCHOLOGICALLY MORE TOGETHER AND BALANCED MALES? SHALL WE BE HOBBLED BY THE SICK, BROKEN, MENTALLY EMOTIONALLY ILL MALES? AND WAIT AROUND FOR THEM TO GET WELL BEFORE WE CAN MOVE ON? NOT THIS LADY AND THAT IS NOT WHAT I WILL TEACH MY GRANDDAUGHTERS AND GREAT GRANDDAUGHTERS.
They cannot be resolved outside of a relationship. This is a good reason then for men to be submissive so that they can be taught how to participate in a relationship and meet the woman's needs and in the process have their needs met too. To the extent that the man is not able to do this he will not be able to develop himself and render himself undesirable to supreme females.
RASA: Dear lady, these men are seeking to 'serve you' in only the most limited way. They just might do for you what any regular man would do, if you serve them as well! It might not be a bargain - THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SLAVE! Not only are slaves illegal, they don't exist. Every 'slave' or 'servant' out there will make you pay for whatever they give you, I assure you. Take all that they say with a grain of salt. Unless you are a professional dominant woman, my advise is to forget it.
BEATA: I learned that there is consensual slavery which is not the same thing as enforced slavery, human trafficking is an example. There are male slaves who serve women, but also there are "aspiring" slaves who are seeking to be owned by a woman. The ideal condition of slavery for a male is marriage in my opinion or some other legal contract. In any case, some men may fit better in an Amazonian Matriarchal community or a sanctuary rather than in a regular bonded relationship or marriage.
I HEARD ALL THESE CLAIMS BEFORE, AND WHEN YOU TEST THESE MEN OUT - NO SUCH THING. HOW MANY OF THESE 'SLAVES' HAVE YOU TESTED? THEY ARE EXTREMELY NEEDY, DEMANDING MEN MASQUERADING AS SLAVES.
RASA: Well then, who is out there? They are the guys who do NOT put ads in the paper or groups. They are just ordinary men, wishing that some great woman will see or notice them, because they might not be aggressive or macho. They maybe be slightly timid with women, or shy. They might tend to be obedient, or docile, but not sissies or wimps. They could be strong men, but true gentlemen. They would not be the type who DEMAND and AGGRESSIVELY post ads all over the place. They would be more likely to WAIT for a woman to find them, rather than actively seeking one out. Oh yes, they might be around in public, waiting and hoping. But since they do not have the raging sex needs of the 'femdom' guys, they do not solicit aggressively. They are the kind of men who can spend time alone, and might not be the best talkers, the most articulate or charming with women, but they are sincere and have good character traits. That is EXACTLY who you are looking for.
BEATA: I prefer the traditional approach. I do not think that woman should pursue a man at all.
WE WILL HAVE TO GO INTO DEFINITIONS NOW. BUT YOUR STATEMENT WOMEN SHOULD NOT PURSUE MEN GETS AN IMMEDIATE GUT REACTION THAT OF COURSE WOMEN PURSUE MEN ALL THE TIME.
If she is interested in a man, she could flirt to send out a signal of interest and let him take it from there.
THIS IS RESTRICTING THE WOMAN IN HER BAHAVIOR AND EVEN THE MAN, IF ONLY MEN CAN PURSUE, BUT WOMEN CAN ONLY FLIRT TO GET THE BALL ROLLING. THIS IS 1955 AGAIN. WE WERE TOLD THAT IN THE 50'S AND 60'S. 'HE HAS TO CALL' - DO NOT CALL HIM, DO NOT WIN THE GAME AT TENNIS. DEFER TO HIM, LET HIM MAKE THE MOVES, THE DATES, THE CALLS, DO NOT BE AGGRESSIVE.
I feel that it is very important for men to take initiative,
DO YOU HAVE A LOGICAL REASON WHY? IF MEN TAKE THE INITIATIVE, AND NOT WOMEN, THEN IT IS MEN WHO WOULD BE, AT LEAST IN THE BEGINNING, CHOOSING THE WOMEN. WHY ARE YOU RESTRICTING WOMEN? WOMEN DO CHOOSE MEN, ANYWAY, AND THEY ENGAGE THEM IN CONVERSATION, AND THERE IT STARTS. AND IF THE WOMAN WANTS THE GUY, SHE PURSUES HIM BY BEING FRIENDLY AND TALKING MORE, BY ENGAGING HIM IN PERSON, BY PHONE, BY INTERNET. I PUT NO RESTRICTIONS ON THE WOMAN DOING WHAT SHE WANTS TO DO.
...even men who desire to be in female-led relationships. Moreover, culturally speaking, men from other ethnic groups are typically socialized to be the initiators of dating and courtship, and this is a custom that the woman should reinforce because it sets up a dynamic for the male to attend to her needs.
FOR THE MAN TO BE THE PURSUER IS A TRADITION IN PATRIARCHY BECAUSE THE PURSUER MAKES THE CHOICE. SO A PREDATOR IS A PURSUER ALSO. HE DOES NOT WANT AN INTELLIGENT MATURE WOMAN, BUT A LITTLE GIRL. HE PURSUES A LITTLE GIRL. THAT IS HIS CHOICE. PATRIARCHY HAS TAUGHT MEN TO PURSUE BECAUSE THE PURSUER IS THE ONE WHO MAKES THE CHOICE.
A man should be active in pursuing a woman regardless if he is into femdom or not, the woman determines if the male is suitable or not and makes her decision accordingly. This method is consistent with female empowerment under a Modern Matriarchy.
YOU SAID ELSEWHERE THERE WERE MANY MODELS, NOT ONE MODEL OF EMPOWERMENT OR MATRIARCHY, AND NOW, ARE YOU SAYING THERE IS ONE WAY IN RELATIONSHIPS? I AM DISSAPOINTED.
In this instance, the desire for male submissiveness should not be equated with an expectation of passiveness.
AHA. PASSIVENESS IS NOT SOMETHING I AM PROMOTING. BUT WE TALK ABOUT PASSIVENESS, AND OK. YOU SAY NOW MEN SHOULD NOT BE PASSIVE. ARE YOU THEN SAYING WOMEN SHOULD BE? SO IF THE PURSUER IS THE AGGRESSOR AND THE RECEIVER PASSIVE, THEN WOMEN SHOULD BE PASSIVE? HOLD ON TO THE TRADITIONAL ROLE?
The male needs to be active in order to be guided so that his actions are consistent with serving the woman's needs. It is much more work and responsibility for a woman to have to constantly direct a man or tell him what to do.
THIS IS GETTING CONFUSING. DO YOU WANT WOMEN TO HAVE MORE OR LESS WORK? ALL THAT I AM SAYING IN THAT ARTICLE IS WOMEN SHOULD CHOOSE CERTAIN MEN AND WHERE IS THE BEST FIELD OR THEATER OF LIFE WHERE THEY WILL FIND SUCH A MAN - THE ONE WHO WILL SUIT HER NEEDS. YOU SEEM TO BE TAKING THIS ISSUE SOMEWHERE ELSE, LIKE THE ENTIRE WORLD OF SOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS AND WHAT IS GOOD FOR MEN. IN MY OPINION WHAT IS GOOD FOR MEN IS WHAT IS GOOD FOR WOMEN. LET'S CONCENTRATE ON THE WOMAN, I SAY. THE GOODNESS COMING OUT OF RELATIONSHIPS AND SOCIETAL STRUCTURE AS LED BY WOMAN WILL THEN BE PASSED DOWN TO THE BENEFIT OF MEN. MY MIND IS ON THE WOMAN. WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE WOMAN WILL BE GOOD FOR THE MAN. I THINK IF ONE CONCENTRATES ON THIS ONE WILL ARRIVE AT MATRIARCHY.
RASA: We are taking the first steps to matriarchal liberty. Men have to change, women have to change. And you, the woman, mustn't feel guilty. It is better for them if they serve us than for us to serve them. It is as God wants it. And by having a man's support, we can get a lot more done in the world. The world needs us. It's time to stop serving the male and his lower needs. The world cries out for salvation, and this is done by the woman now attending to larger issues.
BEATA: This is true. I think that a fundamental shift needs to occur in female-male relationships. Certainly there are a broad range of methods that women can utilize in order to secure their freedom from the current patriarchal instructions. But this is why we have a Modern Matriarchy movement in place, which is starting to be implemented at the grassroots level.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHERE IS THIS MODERN MATRIARCHAL MOVEMENT? I FIND LITTLE OF IT OUT THERE AND LITTLE SUPPORT, SCANT SISTERHOOD AND PALTRY PARTICIPATION. IT IS OPTIMISTIC TO SAY THERE IS A MOVEMENT WHEN ONE SEEKS FOR IT AND CAN FIND ALMOST NOTHING. ALL I FIND ARE THESE TWO ELEMENTS:
• FEMDOM CENTERED AROUND MALE NEEDS. MALE SEX NEEDS ARE AT BASE, WOMEN'S SAME OLE' NEED FOR MONEY. THEY USE THE WORD MATRIARCHY BUT IT IS A PSEUDONYM FOR FEMDOM. THIS IS NOT MATRIARCHY, IT IS DOMINATION PARLORS.
• ACADEMIC RESEARCH. AGAIN, THIS IS PARALLEL, SIMILAR, BUT THOSE I HAVE CONTACTED ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE. THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING MATRAIRCHY AT ALL, JUST HOLDING CONFERENCES ABOUT IT AND HAVE NARROW MINDED STILTED VERSIONS OF IT. I HAVE HAD NO SUCCESS WITH THEM AFTER I REACHED OUT TO THEM.
PLEASE POINT OUT TO ME ANY REAL GRASS ROOTS ORGANIZATIN THAT HAS ANYTHING GOING THAT IS REALLY PRO MATRIARCHY AND NOT DOING FEMDOM FOR MONEY. THE CLOSEST THING I CAN THINK OF ELISE SUTTON, BUT SHE IS WORKING FOR MONEY. YES THERE ARE A FEW FEMDOM WOMEN OUT THERE WHO HAVE GREAT IDEAS, BUT THEY ARE TIED TO FEMDOM AND NOT WORKING FULLY ON MATRIARCHY. THIS DOES NOT MAKE THEM BAD PEOPLE, BUT IT MAKES THEM LESS THAN FULLY COMMITTED DUE TO LACK OF TIME AND WITHOUT TIME (OH, HOW MUCH WE NEED TIME) THERE IS NO FULL COMMITMENT TO MATRIARCHY.
PRIOR TO BEATA COMING UPON THE SCENE, THE ONLY PERSON WORKING 'FULLTIME' ON MATRIARCHY BESIDES MYSELF I FOUND WAS WILLIAM BOND. THEN BEATA CAME ALONG AND IT SEEMED WE HAD THREE. BUT WHERE ARE THESE OTHERS? FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN, THIS MOVEMENT IS BITS AND PIECES AND PEOPLE HAVING BITS AND PIECES OF THE VISION, BUT NOT THE WHOLE PICTURE. TO ME, IT IS IMPROVING BUT STILL, QUITE RETARDED.
Interpersonal relationships between women and men are one of the chief areas where Matriarchy can begin to take root.
Cheers,
Beata
Friday, 13 February 2009
A LIGHT OF MATRIARCHY, BEATA, DREAMS OF RASA
The second dream I had occurred about 1 1/2 weeks after the first dream. This was a relatively short dream. I was in a house that was nicely decorated. I went into a room and I saw you sitting on a loveseat,
RASA: RASA SITS IN LOVESEAT BECAUSE SHE LOVES. MINISTERS OUT OF LOVE.
...there were many people around, I had the sense that these people were your devotees or seekers. You saw me and recognized...
RASA: RECOGNITION IS SPIRITUAL AND ONE SEES THE SPIRIT OF THE FEMININE DIVINE IN EACH OTHER. WE ARE THE SAME SPIRIT.
...me and I went up to you, we embraced hugged and kissed each other on the lips.
RASA: LIPS COULD MEAN TWO THINGS. ONE IS TALKING. AS WE TALK THROUGH OUR LIPS, AND WE HAVE BEEN SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER BY E MAIL. BUT SECOND, I BELIEVE THIS IS A SACRED KISS. MY BELOVED JUANA AND ALSO KATHLEEN RECEIVED SACRED KISSES, AND THE ONE JUANA RECEIVED WAS ECSTATIC. KATHLEEN RECEIVED 3 ORGASMS IN ONE ECSTATIC VISION - AND NONE OF US IS GAY. IT WAS GOD WHO DID THESE THINGS, AS GOD CAN APPEAR MALE OR FEMALE, WHATEVER THE PERSON WANTS! THE TIME I GAVE JUANA THE SACRED KISS, SHE SAYS I TURNED INTO A MAN FIRST. BUT THE SECOND TIME (PROBABLY BECAUSE I WANTED TO GET TO KNOW HER BETTER AND EASE PAST HER FEARS), I DID NOT BOTHER AND REMAINED FEMALE, AND THERE WAS ECSTATIC LOVE MAKING. THIS LOVE MAKING INDEED WAS NO LESS THAN THE MYSTICAL MARRIAGE, AND JUANA IN THAT MOMENT HAD BLOSSOMED INTO THE SAHASRARA. I KNEW THIS WAS THE SUMMIT, SHE HAD REACHED THE PINNACLE AND NOW THE ECSTASIES WOULD TAPER OFF. SO IT WAS. SAME HAPPENED WITH KATHLEEN AND MAUREEN. WITHIN A REMARKABLE SHORT TIME THEY REACHED THE SAHASRARA, AND THEN IT PLATEAUED. THE AMAZING THING IS THAT IT WAS THE WOMEN WHO RECEIVED ME AS LOVER MORE QUICKLY THAN THE MEN. THE MEN WERE NOT SPIRITUAL ENOUGH, IN MOST CASES! THIS IS ALL GOD, SPIRIT, NOTHING TO DO WITH HUMAN SEX DESIRES! IT IS THE PINNACLE OF GOD LOVE, THIS LOVER RELATIONSHIP! WHEN I SAY 'ME' OR 'I' IT IS THE ANOINTING, THE GOD POWER WITHIN ME, AND NOT MY FLESH.
I was quite happy in this dream and felt something ecstatic from our embrace.
RASA: THE ANOINTING TOUCHED YOU! THE EMBRACE IS SPIRITUAL INTIMACY, WHICH IS ECSTATIC.
But I noticed that many of the people around you were very needy, it was like they wanted and needed something from you, they were taking part of your energy and asking for favors. You freely gave them, but you also directed them to do things for you and themselves.
RASA: AH, INDEED, THE STRONG COME TO HELP THE WEAK! WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO?
Then you went to another part of the house and you were talking to a man who was wearing a business suit. I just watched you talking to him for a little while, not paying attention to your conversation with him and then I woke up.
RASA: THAT 'MAN' IS GOD. NOT THAT GOD IS A MAN, BUT GOD OFTEN APPEARS TO ME AS MAN BECAUSE MOST OF MY LIFE I RELATED TO JESUS, AND AM MYSTICALLY MARRIED TO HIM. AND SO, THIS COULD BE GOD AS JESUS, AND HE IS IN BUSINESS SUIT BECAUSE I AM GOING ABOUT HIS BUSINESS AND TALKING TO HIM ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF GOD. I AM DOING GOD'S WORK. MATRIARCHY IS GOD'S WORK, SAVING SOULS IS GOD'S WORK.
Those were the two dreams that I had about you. After the first dream I noticed that in the Anti-Sarlo group a couple of men came to praise you, but also one came to tear you down.
RASA: I BANNED ABOUT 3 PEOPLE FROM ANTI SARLO FOR BEING ANTAGONISTIC.
Then after the second dream shortly after, you had announced that the battle with Sarlo was over. But I did not say anything because I wanted to observe and see how things played out. After this incident with Alton, I realized that I needed to share the dreams with you. So what do you think about these dreams? I frequently have prophetic dreams as this runs among the women in my family, but I was surprised to have these dreams about you.
RASA: WERE YOU SURPRIZED BECAUSE WE KNOW EACH OTHER LITTLE? BUT OUR SPIRITS ARE CLOSE!
OVERVIEW: I BELIEVE YOU HAD THIS DREAM BECAUSE YOU CAME CLOSE TO ME BY HELPING. YOU OPENED YOUR HEART AND MIND IN A CHARITABLE WAY TO ME, AND THE ANOINTING THAT I HAVE HERE ALSO OPENED UP TO YOU. SO YOU RECEIVED SOME OF THE SHAKTI, NO DOUBT. WHEN YOU SAY THE WORD ECSTASY IT IS A CLUE TO SHAKTI, HOLY SPIRIT, LOVE POWER. I BELIEVE GOD WANTED TO SHOW YOU I WAS FOR REAL, AS A KIND OF GIFT OR REWARD, AND THAT WE ARE ONE, AND THAT I LOVE YOU.
Cheers,
Beata
February 11, 2006
RASA: RASA SITS IN LOVESEAT BECAUSE SHE LOVES. MINISTERS OUT OF LOVE.
...there were many people around, I had the sense that these people were your devotees or seekers. You saw me and recognized...
RASA: RECOGNITION IS SPIRITUAL AND ONE SEES THE SPIRIT OF THE FEMININE DIVINE IN EACH OTHER. WE ARE THE SAME SPIRIT.
...me and I went up to you, we embraced hugged and kissed each other on the lips.
RASA: LIPS COULD MEAN TWO THINGS. ONE IS TALKING. AS WE TALK THROUGH OUR LIPS, AND WE HAVE BEEN SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER BY E MAIL. BUT SECOND, I BELIEVE THIS IS A SACRED KISS. MY BELOVED JUANA AND ALSO KATHLEEN RECEIVED SACRED KISSES, AND THE ONE JUANA RECEIVED WAS ECSTATIC. KATHLEEN RECEIVED 3 ORGASMS IN ONE ECSTATIC VISION - AND NONE OF US IS GAY. IT WAS GOD WHO DID THESE THINGS, AS GOD CAN APPEAR MALE OR FEMALE, WHATEVER THE PERSON WANTS! THE TIME I GAVE JUANA THE SACRED KISS, SHE SAYS I TURNED INTO A MAN FIRST. BUT THE SECOND TIME (PROBABLY BECAUSE I WANTED TO GET TO KNOW HER BETTER AND EASE PAST HER FEARS), I DID NOT BOTHER AND REMAINED FEMALE, AND THERE WAS ECSTATIC LOVE MAKING. THIS LOVE MAKING INDEED WAS NO LESS THAN THE MYSTICAL MARRIAGE, AND JUANA IN THAT MOMENT HAD BLOSSOMED INTO THE SAHASRARA. I KNEW THIS WAS THE SUMMIT, SHE HAD REACHED THE PINNACLE AND NOW THE ECSTASIES WOULD TAPER OFF. SO IT WAS. SAME HAPPENED WITH KATHLEEN AND MAUREEN. WITHIN A REMARKABLE SHORT TIME THEY REACHED THE SAHASRARA, AND THEN IT PLATEAUED. THE AMAZING THING IS THAT IT WAS THE WOMEN WHO RECEIVED ME AS LOVER MORE QUICKLY THAN THE MEN. THE MEN WERE NOT SPIRITUAL ENOUGH, IN MOST CASES! THIS IS ALL GOD, SPIRIT, NOTHING TO DO WITH HUMAN SEX DESIRES! IT IS THE PINNACLE OF GOD LOVE, THIS LOVER RELATIONSHIP! WHEN I SAY 'ME' OR 'I' IT IS THE ANOINTING, THE GOD POWER WITHIN ME, AND NOT MY FLESH.
I was quite happy in this dream and felt something ecstatic from our embrace.
RASA: THE ANOINTING TOUCHED YOU! THE EMBRACE IS SPIRITUAL INTIMACY, WHICH IS ECSTATIC.
But I noticed that many of the people around you were very needy, it was like they wanted and needed something from you, they were taking part of your energy and asking for favors. You freely gave them, but you also directed them to do things for you and themselves.
RASA: AH, INDEED, THE STRONG COME TO HELP THE WEAK! WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO?
Then you went to another part of the house and you were talking to a man who was wearing a business suit. I just watched you talking to him for a little while, not paying attention to your conversation with him and then I woke up.
RASA: THAT 'MAN' IS GOD. NOT THAT GOD IS A MAN, BUT GOD OFTEN APPEARS TO ME AS MAN BECAUSE MOST OF MY LIFE I RELATED TO JESUS, AND AM MYSTICALLY MARRIED TO HIM. AND SO, THIS COULD BE GOD AS JESUS, AND HE IS IN BUSINESS SUIT BECAUSE I AM GOING ABOUT HIS BUSINESS AND TALKING TO HIM ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF GOD. I AM DOING GOD'S WORK. MATRIARCHY IS GOD'S WORK, SAVING SOULS IS GOD'S WORK.
Those were the two dreams that I had about you. After the first dream I noticed that in the Anti-Sarlo group a couple of men came to praise you, but also one came to tear you down.
RASA: I BANNED ABOUT 3 PEOPLE FROM ANTI SARLO FOR BEING ANTAGONISTIC.
Then after the second dream shortly after, you had announced that the battle with Sarlo was over. But I did not say anything because I wanted to observe and see how things played out. After this incident with Alton, I realized that I needed to share the dreams with you. So what do you think about these dreams? I frequently have prophetic dreams as this runs among the women in my family, but I was surprised to have these dreams about you.
RASA: WERE YOU SURPRIZED BECAUSE WE KNOW EACH OTHER LITTLE? BUT OUR SPIRITS ARE CLOSE!
OVERVIEW: I BELIEVE YOU HAD THIS DREAM BECAUSE YOU CAME CLOSE TO ME BY HELPING. YOU OPENED YOUR HEART AND MIND IN A CHARITABLE WAY TO ME, AND THE ANOINTING THAT I HAVE HERE ALSO OPENED UP TO YOU. SO YOU RECEIVED SOME OF THE SHAKTI, NO DOUBT. WHEN YOU SAY THE WORD ECSTASY IT IS A CLUE TO SHAKTI, HOLY SPIRIT, LOVE POWER. I BELIEVE GOD WANTED TO SHOW YOU I WAS FOR REAL, AS A KIND OF GIFT OR REWARD, AND THAT WE ARE ONE, AND THAT I LOVE YOU.
Cheers,
Beata
February 11, 2006
CONFLICTS ABOUT MATRIARCHY IS CARING THE ONE AND ONLY WEAPON WOMEN HAVE?
REPARTEE BETWEEN RASA & "CHRIS YORK" ON YAHOO
While I am an avid supporter of most feminist issues and come from a matriarchal tribe (Yes they do still exist) I feel that this is a rather one sided view of the issue. A frequent mistake often seen with feminist and women in general who come from an anglo-saxon cultural heritage is to merely transpose the same male societal forms onto what they feel is a revolutionary female social structure.
RASA: THIS DOES NOT APPLY HERE. NOT WHAT I AM SAYING AT ALL. I DID NOT SAY WOMEN SHOULD BECOME INSENSITIVE, BRUTAL, UNCARING AND ALL THE EVIL MEN DO. BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO USURP A STALIN HITLER MENTALITY, YOU WILL NOT SUCCEED BY BEING MARILYN MONROE.
This does not work. Nor will it work to see only the positives of what women do while at the same time denigrate the role men play in a society.
RASA: DENIGRATE MEN? THE ENTIRE 'HISTORY' IS HIS STORY OF WAR AND ABUSE OF OTHERS. HE HAS DONE LITTLE GOOD. GOOD HAPPENS IN BETWEEN WARS AND WHAT WOMEN HAVE DONE ALMOST NOTHING HAS BEEN REPORTED IN HIS PALTRY STUDY OF WHAT HE HAS DONE. HE, THE VICTOR IN THE GAME OF VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND CHILDREN, HAS ALSO WRITTEN THE BOOKS, ENCYCLOPEDIAS AND DICTIONARIES. HE GAVE HIMSELF ALL THE GOOD ADJECTIVES AND THE WOMEN, ALL THE PEJORATIVES. AND HOW HAS ALL THIS WORK BEEN DONE? BY THE RESOURCES WOMEN PROVIDED. WOMEN PROVIDED THE MANPOWER/CHILDREN, AND ALSO AS MUCH OR MORE TAX MONEY THAN MEN, AND THIS MONEY HAS BEEN USED TO BENEFIT MORE MALES THAN FEMALES. TOTAL MIND BOGGLING, MIND BLOWING SEXISM AND ABUSE OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN. FOR WHAT? SO HE CAN HAVE A BETTER CAR, A BETTER JOB, MORE WOMEN AND MORE PERKS.
There is a specific reason that men where chosen to lead war parties in my culture.
RASA: TELL THAT TO THE AMAZONS. WOMEN WERE NEVER GIVEN THE OPTION FOR WAR. IT WAS ILLEGAL UNTIL RECENTLY FOR WOMEN TO ENTER MILITARY COMBAT. MANY WANTD TO BUT COULDN'T. THEY ARE BETTER AT EVERYTHING.
It is because men excel in making swift decisions...
RASA: WHAT KIND OF DECISIONS DO YOU SPEAK OF? I AM NOT SAYING MEN ARE USELESS AND I DO ADMIRE ALL THE GOOD THEY HAVE DONE, INCLUDING THEIR SACRIFICES. I ALWAYS GIVE LARGE DONATIONS TO THE VETS AND AM EXTREMELY LOVING TO THEM. I HAVE VOLUNTEERED AT VET HOSPITALS. BUT SWIFT DECISIONS? I DON'T THINK SO. STUDIES PROVE OTHERWISE.
...and are physically more prepared for battle than women.
RASA: YOU MAY BE RIGHT ON THAT ONE. THEY ARE BECAUSE THEY ARE IMPULSIVE AND RECKLESS AND THEY DO LOSE THEIR LIVES THAT WAY - BUT THAT IS HOW GOD MADE THEM BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THEY WERE TO USE THIS TRAIT TO PROTECT WOMEN AND CHILDREN. UNFORTUNATLEY, THIS IS FREQUENTLY USED AGAINST WOMEN, CHILDREN AND OTHER MEN NOT IN RIGHTEOUSNESS BUT IN BRUTALITY. READ MEN, WOMEN AND RAPE BY SUSAN BROWNMILLER. IT IS THE STORY OF WAR CRIMES AGAINST WOMEN AND CHILDREN. DID YOU KNOW THAT IN WAR 98% OF THE CASUALTIES ARE CIVILIANS? DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY WOMEN AND CHILDREN MEN RAPE BRUTALLY, AND SOMETIMES AFTER RAPE MUTILATE CHILDREN RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR PARENTS? DITTO FOR GIRLS. THEY ARE BELOW HUMAN, BELOW ANIMAL. IN WAR, MEN ARE DEMONICS.
This is not a sexist view. These are simple facts of our physical and mental makeup as a species.
But by understanding how women ruled in the typical native society much can be learned. For example women always chose the leaders of the tribe and assigned any and all positions of power in the tribe for both men and women. Why was this the case? This was because women where the ones who taught and cared for the children and therefore they were able to watch them as they grew up...
RASA: WATCHED OR TRAINED? A CHILD HAS TO BE BROUGHT UP, TRAINED, TAUGHT EVERY DAY OF ITS LIFE OR ELSE IT DOES GO ASTRAY. BUT THIS PART I AM NOT ARGUING WITH. WOMEN DO KNOW THEIR CHILDREN.
...and they knew which ones had the qualities and fair mindedness necessary for a tribal leader.
It is a male view of the world to see it as an "oyster" that can be owned.
RASA: I AM NOT A MALE NOR A DICK IN A SKIRT. I AM 100% COMPASSIONATE AND SEE IT FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF MOTHERGOD, WHO I AM ONE WITH. SHE OWNS THE EARTH, NOT MEN.
This is because males traditionally hold a view of separatism and disparate entities whereas the feminine archetype sees a world of interdependencies where all play an important role and work in harmony together.
RASA: THIS IS MY VIEW ALSO. 'MINDWALK' IS A MOVIE I HAVE ON VIDEO THAT SPEAKS OF THIS. VERY GOOD. IN MY HOLY TRINITY, 'CREATION' IS THE SECOND PERSON, EQUAL TO GOD.
The matriarchy the world needs is not a physical matriarchy. It is psycho-social archetypal matriarchy that embodies a spirit and a world view that has been sorely lacking in the world for going on 4000 odd years.
RASA: HOW ARE YOU GONG TO HAVE THIS PSYCHO SPIRITUAL MATRIARCHY WITHOUT THE PHYSICAL? DO YOU WANT TO REMOVE WOMEN FROM MATRIARCHY? AND WHY? YOU SAID YOU BELONG TO A MATRIARCHAL CLAN. WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH THE WOMEN?
Any attempt to put a feminine face on the same male politics is doomed to failure. The spirit of the times calls for more than this and regardless of any of us as individuals it is what will come about eventually.
It is also interesting that you use the symbolism of the snake laying in the grass. As our western religions hint at, the snake is a feminine symbol that has been in place since the early days of our species. But why a snake? Does the snake not immediately bring to mind a phallic association? Yes it obviously does. If that is the case how can the symbol be feminine?
There is an old concept of dualism in most aboriginal and native societies that is unfamiliar to most moderns. It is the concept of nesting. Nesting is essentially the idea that inside of everything there is its opposite. So inside of every female is a male soul and inside of every male is a female soul.
In india when women want a child they worship snakes. Anytime we want transformation or change we seek the opposite. By bringing the opposite within ourselves then we transform ourselves.
The snake as a symbol is very earth centered. The snake is a creature that crawls on the ground. The snake also sheds its skin yearly which symbolically represents the change of the seasons and the ever turning cycle of nature. By the same token, the snake is also considered to be the ouroboros which again represents a never ending cycle.
RASA: SNAKES REPRESENT WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE. IN THE WEST, THEY ARE THE DEVIL. BECAUSE THEY CRAWL THROUGH THE GRASS AND YOU CANNOT SEE THEM, AND THEY STRIKE. IN THE EAST, THEY REPRESENT THE KUNDALINI SHAKTI (HOLY SPIRIT) AND THEREFORE, ARE WORSHIPPED FOR MANY THINGS. SNAKE IS GOD. I SEE THEM BOTH WAYS, AND CAN CALL A PERSON A SNAKE IN THE PEJORATIVE, BUT ALSO REVERE A SNAKE AS A SYMBOL OF GOD, GOODNESS AND CREATION.
And in the feminine spirit of things I don't want to call any one viewpoint wrong. There is certainly merit and truth in most views and I can agree with much of what you say. It seems that in nature growth is always about synthesis instead of division. Therefore I would guess that the synthesis of the old matriarchy and the modern patriarchy would lead to a better solution than turning the clock back to either that have come before.
RASA: IT ISN'T VERY COMPLICATED. WOMEN RULE, MEN FOLLOW AND WORK WITH WOMEN OR COOPERATE UNDER THEIR MATERNAL, WISE COUNSEL. MEN ARE MEMBERS, BUT THEY ARE NOT THE ULTIMATE LEADERS. THEY CANNOT BE TRUSTED, HISTORY REVEALS THAT TO US. NO ONE CAN STOP WHAT IS COMING. IT IS MATRIARCHY.
The problem that we all agree on is that the voice of the female has been silenced in society for much too long and the world has suffered greatly because of this along with the earth. There are many words which the female speaks of - words we desperately need to hear. So even the dark goddess aspect is better than the lack of a goddess aspect at all. And to be sure, the goddess is always triple in aspect.
RASA: YES, VIRGIN, MOTHER, CRONE. MOST OF ALL, THEY HAVE SILENCED THE CROAN. HOW I YEARN FOR THE CROAN, THE SENIOR CITIZEN WHO HAS LOST HER FREEDOM OF SPEECH, BECAUSE NONE WILL HEAR HER!
MUCH LOVE, RASA VON WERDER
While I am an avid supporter of most feminist issues and come from a matriarchal tribe (Yes they do still exist) I feel that this is a rather one sided view of the issue. A frequent mistake often seen with feminist and women in general who come from an anglo-saxon cultural heritage is to merely transpose the same male societal forms onto what they feel is a revolutionary female social structure.
RASA: THIS DOES NOT APPLY HERE. NOT WHAT I AM SAYING AT ALL. I DID NOT SAY WOMEN SHOULD BECOME INSENSITIVE, BRUTAL, UNCARING AND ALL THE EVIL MEN DO. BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO USURP A STALIN HITLER MENTALITY, YOU WILL NOT SUCCEED BY BEING MARILYN MONROE.
This does not work. Nor will it work to see only the positives of what women do while at the same time denigrate the role men play in a society.
RASA: DENIGRATE MEN? THE ENTIRE 'HISTORY' IS HIS STORY OF WAR AND ABUSE OF OTHERS. HE HAS DONE LITTLE GOOD. GOOD HAPPENS IN BETWEEN WARS AND WHAT WOMEN HAVE DONE ALMOST NOTHING HAS BEEN REPORTED IN HIS PALTRY STUDY OF WHAT HE HAS DONE. HE, THE VICTOR IN THE GAME OF VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND CHILDREN, HAS ALSO WRITTEN THE BOOKS, ENCYCLOPEDIAS AND DICTIONARIES. HE GAVE HIMSELF ALL THE GOOD ADJECTIVES AND THE WOMEN, ALL THE PEJORATIVES. AND HOW HAS ALL THIS WORK BEEN DONE? BY THE RESOURCES WOMEN PROVIDED. WOMEN PROVIDED THE MANPOWER/CHILDREN, AND ALSO AS MUCH OR MORE TAX MONEY THAN MEN, AND THIS MONEY HAS BEEN USED TO BENEFIT MORE MALES THAN FEMALES. TOTAL MIND BOGGLING, MIND BLOWING SEXISM AND ABUSE OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN. FOR WHAT? SO HE CAN HAVE A BETTER CAR, A BETTER JOB, MORE WOMEN AND MORE PERKS.
There is a specific reason that men where chosen to lead war parties in my culture.
RASA: TELL THAT TO THE AMAZONS. WOMEN WERE NEVER GIVEN THE OPTION FOR WAR. IT WAS ILLEGAL UNTIL RECENTLY FOR WOMEN TO ENTER MILITARY COMBAT. MANY WANTD TO BUT COULDN'T. THEY ARE BETTER AT EVERYTHING.
It is because men excel in making swift decisions...
RASA: WHAT KIND OF DECISIONS DO YOU SPEAK OF? I AM NOT SAYING MEN ARE USELESS AND I DO ADMIRE ALL THE GOOD THEY HAVE DONE, INCLUDING THEIR SACRIFICES. I ALWAYS GIVE LARGE DONATIONS TO THE VETS AND AM EXTREMELY LOVING TO THEM. I HAVE VOLUNTEERED AT VET HOSPITALS. BUT SWIFT DECISIONS? I DON'T THINK SO. STUDIES PROVE OTHERWISE.
...and are physically more prepared for battle than women.
RASA: YOU MAY BE RIGHT ON THAT ONE. THEY ARE BECAUSE THEY ARE IMPULSIVE AND RECKLESS AND THEY DO LOSE THEIR LIVES THAT WAY - BUT THAT IS HOW GOD MADE THEM BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THEY WERE TO USE THIS TRAIT TO PROTECT WOMEN AND CHILDREN. UNFORTUNATLEY, THIS IS FREQUENTLY USED AGAINST WOMEN, CHILDREN AND OTHER MEN NOT IN RIGHTEOUSNESS BUT IN BRUTALITY. READ MEN, WOMEN AND RAPE BY SUSAN BROWNMILLER. IT IS THE STORY OF WAR CRIMES AGAINST WOMEN AND CHILDREN. DID YOU KNOW THAT IN WAR 98% OF THE CASUALTIES ARE CIVILIANS? DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY WOMEN AND CHILDREN MEN RAPE BRUTALLY, AND SOMETIMES AFTER RAPE MUTILATE CHILDREN RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR PARENTS? DITTO FOR GIRLS. THEY ARE BELOW HUMAN, BELOW ANIMAL. IN WAR, MEN ARE DEMONICS.
This is not a sexist view. These are simple facts of our physical and mental makeup as a species.
But by understanding how women ruled in the typical native society much can be learned. For example women always chose the leaders of the tribe and assigned any and all positions of power in the tribe for both men and women. Why was this the case? This was because women where the ones who taught and cared for the children and therefore they were able to watch them as they grew up...
RASA: WATCHED OR TRAINED? A CHILD HAS TO BE BROUGHT UP, TRAINED, TAUGHT EVERY DAY OF ITS LIFE OR ELSE IT DOES GO ASTRAY. BUT THIS PART I AM NOT ARGUING WITH. WOMEN DO KNOW THEIR CHILDREN.
...and they knew which ones had the qualities and fair mindedness necessary for a tribal leader.
It is a male view of the world to see it as an "oyster" that can be owned.
RASA: I AM NOT A MALE NOR A DICK IN A SKIRT. I AM 100% COMPASSIONATE AND SEE IT FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF MOTHERGOD, WHO I AM ONE WITH. SHE OWNS THE EARTH, NOT MEN.
This is because males traditionally hold a view of separatism and disparate entities whereas the feminine archetype sees a world of interdependencies where all play an important role and work in harmony together.
RASA: THIS IS MY VIEW ALSO. 'MINDWALK' IS A MOVIE I HAVE ON VIDEO THAT SPEAKS OF THIS. VERY GOOD. IN MY HOLY TRINITY, 'CREATION' IS THE SECOND PERSON, EQUAL TO GOD.
The matriarchy the world needs is not a physical matriarchy. It is psycho-social archetypal matriarchy that embodies a spirit and a world view that has been sorely lacking in the world for going on 4000 odd years.
RASA: HOW ARE YOU GONG TO HAVE THIS PSYCHO SPIRITUAL MATRIARCHY WITHOUT THE PHYSICAL? DO YOU WANT TO REMOVE WOMEN FROM MATRIARCHY? AND WHY? YOU SAID YOU BELONG TO A MATRIARCHAL CLAN. WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH THE WOMEN?
Any attempt to put a feminine face on the same male politics is doomed to failure. The spirit of the times calls for more than this and regardless of any of us as individuals it is what will come about eventually.
It is also interesting that you use the symbolism of the snake laying in the grass. As our western religions hint at, the snake is a feminine symbol that has been in place since the early days of our species. But why a snake? Does the snake not immediately bring to mind a phallic association? Yes it obviously does. If that is the case how can the symbol be feminine?
There is an old concept of dualism in most aboriginal and native societies that is unfamiliar to most moderns. It is the concept of nesting. Nesting is essentially the idea that inside of everything there is its opposite. So inside of every female is a male soul and inside of every male is a female soul.
In india when women want a child they worship snakes. Anytime we want transformation or change we seek the opposite. By bringing the opposite within ourselves then we transform ourselves.
The snake as a symbol is very earth centered. The snake is a creature that crawls on the ground. The snake also sheds its skin yearly which symbolically represents the change of the seasons and the ever turning cycle of nature. By the same token, the snake is also considered to be the ouroboros which again represents a never ending cycle.
RASA: SNAKES REPRESENT WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE. IN THE WEST, THEY ARE THE DEVIL. BECAUSE THEY CRAWL THROUGH THE GRASS AND YOU CANNOT SEE THEM, AND THEY STRIKE. IN THE EAST, THEY REPRESENT THE KUNDALINI SHAKTI (HOLY SPIRIT) AND THEREFORE, ARE WORSHIPPED FOR MANY THINGS. SNAKE IS GOD. I SEE THEM BOTH WAYS, AND CAN CALL A PERSON A SNAKE IN THE PEJORATIVE, BUT ALSO REVERE A SNAKE AS A SYMBOL OF GOD, GOODNESS AND CREATION.
And in the feminine spirit of things I don't want to call any one viewpoint wrong. There is certainly merit and truth in most views and I can agree with much of what you say. It seems that in nature growth is always about synthesis instead of division. Therefore I would guess that the synthesis of the old matriarchy and the modern patriarchy would lead to a better solution than turning the clock back to either that have come before.
RASA: IT ISN'T VERY COMPLICATED. WOMEN RULE, MEN FOLLOW AND WORK WITH WOMEN OR COOPERATE UNDER THEIR MATERNAL, WISE COUNSEL. MEN ARE MEMBERS, BUT THEY ARE NOT THE ULTIMATE LEADERS. THEY CANNOT BE TRUSTED, HISTORY REVEALS THAT TO US. NO ONE CAN STOP WHAT IS COMING. IT IS MATRIARCHY.
The problem that we all agree on is that the voice of the female has been silenced in society for much too long and the world has suffered greatly because of this along with the earth. There are many words which the female speaks of - words we desperately need to hear. So even the dark goddess aspect is better than the lack of a goddess aspect at all. And to be sure, the goddess is always triple in aspect.
RASA: YES, VIRGIN, MOTHER, CRONE. MOST OF ALL, THEY HAVE SILENCED THE CROAN. HOW I YEARN FOR THE CROAN, THE SENIOR CITIZEN WHO HAS LOST HER FREEDOM OF SPEECH, BECAUSE NONE WILL HEAR HER!
MUCH LOVE, RASA VON WERDER
RASA & WILLIAM EXPLAIN HOW WOMEN'S ENERGY HAS BEEN DEPLOYED TOWARD THE SERVICE OF MALES
I may have gotten the meaning of her article backwards. But what I saw in it was how men really need women's approval. How men are like boys seeking mothers love in the way they seek acceptance and love from their wives. In other words not being able to get along without a woman supporting them.
PB
THAT PART IS OK. MEN'S NEEDS. WE HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN ABOUT THAT AND NOW MORE THAN EVER. THE PART THAT IRKS ME IS THE FACT THAT LAURA IS TELLING WOMEN TO ONCE MORE SACRIFICE THEMSELVES FOR THE SAKE OF NEEDY MEN RATHER THAN GIVING THEM SOME TOUGH LOVE. IT IS THE OLD ATTITUDE OF 'YOU WOMAN. YOU ARE HERE TO GIVE TO MEN. SO GIVE. AND GIVE, AND GIVE AND GIVE.' WHAT HAS BEEN THE RESULT OF ALL THIS GIVING? PATRIARCHY. THAT IS WHAT PATRIARCHY IS ABOUT. WILLIAM BOND, HELP ME OUT ON THIS.
RASA
Well Patriarchy has taken and used Women's maternal instinct for their own use.
The fact is that Women have children and men don't. And not only do Women have children, they do have a powerful instinct to care and look after the children they bear. So self-sacrifice is natural for
Women, in wanting to not only to care for children but also Old people the disabled, the sick and animals.
Patriarchy says to Women; "You can only use your maternal and nurturing instinct to care for men and children. Anything outside of that is the job of men." Yet we can see clearly than men do a really terrible job in ruling our planet because men are unable to care and nurture the Planet and the people and animals that live on it.
So the feminine, nurturing instincts are needed not only to care for men and children, but are needed to care for the whole planet. And that can only happen if Women rule our world.
The paradox with patriarchy is that the Male sex has the power but is totally irresponsible in the way he uses his power. While the other sex in powerless but feels a great responsibility in caring for others. So it make sense to ensure that it is the caring and nurturing sex that has all the power in our world.
William Bond
PB
THAT PART IS OK. MEN'S NEEDS. WE HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN ABOUT THAT AND NOW MORE THAN EVER. THE PART THAT IRKS ME IS THE FACT THAT LAURA IS TELLING WOMEN TO ONCE MORE SACRIFICE THEMSELVES FOR THE SAKE OF NEEDY MEN RATHER THAN GIVING THEM SOME TOUGH LOVE. IT IS THE OLD ATTITUDE OF 'YOU WOMAN. YOU ARE HERE TO GIVE TO MEN. SO GIVE. AND GIVE, AND GIVE AND GIVE.' WHAT HAS BEEN THE RESULT OF ALL THIS GIVING? PATRIARCHY. THAT IS WHAT PATRIARCHY IS ABOUT. WILLIAM BOND, HELP ME OUT ON THIS.
RASA
Well Patriarchy has taken and used Women's maternal instinct for their own use.
The fact is that Women have children and men don't. And not only do Women have children, they do have a powerful instinct to care and look after the children they bear. So self-sacrifice is natural for
Women, in wanting to not only to care for children but also Old people the disabled, the sick and animals.
Patriarchy says to Women; "You can only use your maternal and nurturing instinct to care for men and children. Anything outside of that is the job of men." Yet we can see clearly than men do a really terrible job in ruling our planet because men are unable to care and nurture the Planet and the people and animals that live on it.
So the feminine, nurturing instincts are needed not only to care for men and children, but are needed to care for the whole planet. And that can only happen if Women rule our world.
The paradox with patriarchy is that the Male sex has the power but is totally irresponsible in the way he uses his power. While the other sex in powerless but feels a great responsibility in caring for others. So it make sense to ensure that it is the caring and nurturing sex that has all the power in our world.
William Bond
YES, WE RELY ON MOTHER GOD
FROM RASA
We are not in disagreement when you say you feel sympathy for the weak and negative as you once were there. Feeling sympathy, and relying on them to come through, are two different things.
One of my lawyer friends gave me good advise recently,
'You can't be friends with your followers and devotees. You cannot cry on their shoulder. You cannot tell them your troubles. All their strength comes from you and if you break down the image they have, they fall apart. Keep up the image of invincibility.'
Then who do I tell my troubles to? Who is my friend? I wondered. The friend is someone who is also a leader and although far from perfect (as we all are and all my friends have had faults) yet that person will hold you up when you are down. RIGHT NOW I DO NOT HAVE SUCH A PERSON. THE LAST SUCH PERSON DIED THREE YEARS AGO. But the follower will not hold you up, the follower scatters like the sheep when they see a wolf, or else, huddles with the other sheep.
These weak and negative persons must be nurtured and fed, but they cannot be relied upon. You cannot rely on their promises (oh, how many promises and allegiance statements I got from devotees!) and their word, because they will probably fail you. If they help it is usually for a while, until they break down when trouble comes.
As far as you being negative in the past and still struggling - so who wasn't and who isn't? All I am saying to you is if you want HELP and someone to rely on to come through to help you with your writings and your mission the best bet is someone who is not full of hot air but who has a track record of success.
Let's talk about a key word here: SELF MOTIVATION. There are the self motivated, such as Arnold and myself, and there are those who forever lean on others, or look to others for strength and support. They look for individuals, cultural trends, and they make no original, creative decisions, but all is based on the past and the present. These people do not have faith, confidence or visualization. They cannot be pioneers or trailblazers or mavericks. They cannot change the mold but are destined forever to fill a certain frame, with limitations. These you cannot strongly rely on, although they certainly can do a bit of good here and there. But there are those who stick their necks out for a cause, and they are leaders for the good or for the bad. These people have an interior mechanism which motivates them and sets them apart from the crowd.
Now we both agree that MotherGod is the primary reason we have faith, hope and love. She is the fountain of security and the power from which we gain all that we have. Let us keep looking to Her.
RASA
November 7, 2005
We are not in disagreement when you say you feel sympathy for the weak and negative as you once were there. Feeling sympathy, and relying on them to come through, are two different things.
One of my lawyer friends gave me good advise recently,
'You can't be friends with your followers and devotees. You cannot cry on their shoulder. You cannot tell them your troubles. All their strength comes from you and if you break down the image they have, they fall apart. Keep up the image of invincibility.'
Then who do I tell my troubles to? Who is my friend? I wondered. The friend is someone who is also a leader and although far from perfect (as we all are and all my friends have had faults) yet that person will hold you up when you are down. RIGHT NOW I DO NOT HAVE SUCH A PERSON. THE LAST SUCH PERSON DIED THREE YEARS AGO. But the follower will not hold you up, the follower scatters like the sheep when they see a wolf, or else, huddles with the other sheep.
These weak and negative persons must be nurtured and fed, but they cannot be relied upon. You cannot rely on their promises (oh, how many promises and allegiance statements I got from devotees!) and their word, because they will probably fail you. If they help it is usually for a while, until they break down when trouble comes.
As far as you being negative in the past and still struggling - so who wasn't and who isn't? All I am saying to you is if you want HELP and someone to rely on to come through to help you with your writings and your mission the best bet is someone who is not full of hot air but who has a track record of success.
Let's talk about a key word here: SELF MOTIVATION. There are the self motivated, such as Arnold and myself, and there are those who forever lean on others, or look to others for strength and support. They look for individuals, cultural trends, and they make no original, creative decisions, but all is based on the past and the present. These people do not have faith, confidence or visualization. They cannot be pioneers or trailblazers or mavericks. They cannot change the mold but are destined forever to fill a certain frame, with limitations. These you cannot strongly rely on, although they certainly can do a bit of good here and there. But there are those who stick their necks out for a cause, and they are leaders for the good or for the bad. These people have an interior mechanism which motivates them and sets them apart from the crowd.
Now we both agree that MotherGod is the primary reason we have faith, hope and love. She is the fountain of security and the power from which we gain all that we have. Let us keep looking to Her.
RASA
November 7, 2005
THE SECRET HISTORY OF MERMAIDS By William Bond
PREVIEW FROM WILLIAM BOND'S NEW BOOK
The official explanation of the mermaid myth goes like this: Sailors see manatees, walruses or seals, and mistake them for women with a fish’s tail. Which suggests these sailors were either drunk, idiots or very ignorant. It is claimed that even famous explorers like Christopher Columbus and Henry Hudson have made this error because they also reported seeing these creatures. As did John Smith, who became the Governor of the Virginia Colony in the early 17th century. So are we to believe that even Columbus, Hudson and Smith were so stupid as to mistake a sea cow or walrus for a mermaid? These men were experienced sailors and very well acquainted with marine life in the ocean. Either they were half-bind and credulous, or is there some other explanation for the mermaid myth?
To explain the apparent confusion some people have pointed out that the vagina of female sea-cows is very similar to that of a human female. So it could be that sailors may have had sex with manatees, and to cover up this act of bestiality they claimed they had intercourse with a mermaid. The problem is that there are thousands of stories about shepherds who have sex with sheep and they certainly don’t invent a mythical creature to hide this act. They simply keep quiet about it. Another explanation supposes that sailors on long sea voyages without the company of women, become so sex-starved that anything remotely resembling a woman in the sea becomes a ‘mermaid’. The problem with this explanation is that most mermaid stories come from Europe, spread by local fishermen who don’t spend months or years at sea.
Mermaids are reported all over Europe. In Ireland they are called Merrows or Murirruhgachs, in Cornwall, Merrymaids, in the Shetland islands, Sea-trows, while the Germans on the Rhine called them Meerfraus. The Scandanavians called them Navmands and the Russians, Rusalkas. Reports of mermaids go right back to the ancient Greeks and continued right up to the end of the 19th century. There have even been a few in the 20th century. So what are we to make of this?
Pearls for Kisses
Fred Appleyard
Perhaps we need to look at the mermaid story from a different perspective. In most stories of mermaids, a female is sighted, though there are a few reports of mermen. Whereas logic would say there should be as many reports of merman as there are of mermaids. In many mermaid stories we are told they come out of the sea and even marry fishermen. Which is a very clever trick for someone with a fish’s tail, except that in some reports a fish tail is not always mentioned. The ancient Greeks called mermaids ‘sea nymphs’ or ‘nereids’ and describe them as simply nude women who swam in the sea, similar to a reported sighing in the 19th century.
On September 8 1809 and school master in England wrote to “The Times” stating that twelve years previous he was on the shore of Sandside Bay when he saw a naked woman sitting on a rock. He then only concluded she was a mermaid because, he then realised that the rock she was sitting on was too dangerous for swimmers. She then dropped in the sea and swam away, and other people also witnessed the same incident.
The School Master clearly states at first, that what he saw was a naked women, he made no mention of a fish’s tail. It seems he only changed his mind when he realised that where she sat was dangerous for swimmers. Another question he may have asked himself was, what was a naked women doing swimming in the sea in 19th century Britain? Such behaviour may not be so unusual in the 21st century, but women in those times didn’t go in for athletic sports like swimming in dangerous waters, or parade themselves completely nude in public.
Reports of mermaids having legs are not that unusual. In Ireland old tales claim that the mermaids lived on dry land below the sea. (Which sounds like a very Irish story). In the Shetland islands they say that mermaids wear animal skins to swim in the water and then take them off to walk on land. (A early form of wet-suit?). These islanders also report that they themselves are descendants of mermaids. The Orkney Islanders claim that mermaids don’t have fish’s tails, but instead wear long petticoats that resemble a fish’s tail when they swim in the sea. There are also many reports of mermaids having two tails. Could they be two legs instead, ending in an early type of flipper? (In 1500 Leonardo da Vinci invented flippers for divers, so this is not a new idea).
The key to making sense of all these tales comes through the story of a Dutch seaman called Hamel. He was on a Dutch ship, ‘Sperwer’ that was wrecked near the Korean island of Cheju in 1653. Where he and the other survivors of the wreck spent ten months on the island. On returning to Holland, he wrote a book about his experiences and claimed that there were mermaids on the island. What’s interesting is that even today women from the island dive for shellfish and edible seaweed. Does this mean that what we refer to as mermaids are simply women divers?
There have been reports of women divers working of the coasts and islands of Japan going back 1500 years. They dive for shellfish, seaweed, starfish, octopuses and pearls and do this all year round, even in the winter were the water temperature is down to 50°F. They have been known to dive as deep as 30M and stay underwater for over 3 minutes. The food they gather, they place in a net around their waists and many keep on diving to up to 60 years of age or more. In the past they only dived in a loincloth but in more recent times they use modern flippers, face masks and snorkels. Scuba gear was banned by the authorities as they feared that the use of modern equipment would over fish the area. In Korea they allow wet suits but they are banned in Japan. There are a few male divers as well but women are able to work far longer in cold water than the average man.
In the 1960’s western journalists discovered these divers and topless photos of some of the more attractive women appeared in magazines and books. Yet it seems these women were not just half-naked bimbos, swimming in the warm shallow waters of a tropical sea. They are tough working women. A clue to how tough they are comes from the fact that both the Chinese and Japanese call mermaids, ‘dragon-wives’. The Cheju-do women are referred to by some Korean commentators as amazons, because they are far more assertive than ordinary Korean women. It seems that while the women are out diving, the men stay at home and look after the children and house. In the extremely “macho” society of Korea, these “tough” women and their “weak” husbands are an embarrassment. For this reason at one time no documents exist about the women divers in Korea, because historically records concerning them were forbidden.
It suggests that because of the embarrassment of women doing a tough job better than they could, patriarchal institutions have kept silence about women divers. If this was true in Korea, could it also have been true in Europe and the Americas?
Now the waters around Japan and Korea are fairly cold but north of Japan in the Ussuri Territory, there was also once a local tradition of using professional women-divers. Even in these freezing waters women divers would continue diving even in the cold autumn months. Then in the 1920’s the Russian authorities began to use modern diving gear and motorboats equipped with dredges. Needless to say, when they adopted modern equipment the area in time became over fished until shell fishing was banned in 1960. Demonstrating the wisdom of the Korean and Japanese authorities in banning modern equipment for shell fishing.
According to the late Jacques Cousteau there was once women who dived completely naked for clams and crabs in Tierra del Fuego. These islands are at the most southern point of South America in waters of 42°F. So how is it that women divers were able to dive in very cold waters near the Arctic and Antarctic circles? Conditions that would kill a normal man within twenty minutes. It seems that women possess a higher percentage of subcutaneous fat all around their bodies that protect them from the cold in the water. In much the same way, marine animals like dolphins and seals have a layer of blubber to keep them warm. The fact that women can survive in these waters was proven by Lynne Cox. In 1987 this American women swam across the Bering Strait, from the U.S. to the Soviet Union with water temperatures down to 38°F. She achieved this without a wet-suit, wearing only a normal swim suit, cap and goggles.
A Mermaid
John William Waterhouse
In the sporting world we are used to men outperforming women, yet there is one sport where women now outperform men, the sport of marathon open water swimming. The first woman to swim 21 miles across the English Channel, was Gertrude Caroline Ederle of USA. In 1926 she broke the record held by the fastest man by one hour and fifty-nine minutes, in spite of having to battle through heavy seas in the second half of her swim. Since then the record for the fastest channel swim has been held at different times by both men and women. It seems that the longer the marathon swim, the easier it is for women to beat men.
Another sport where women can out-perform men is the very modern sport of “free-diving”, that is to say, diving without the use of air tanks. This sport has surprised scientists who have found that in deep dives the bodies of trained free-divers reacts exactly like that of a marine mammal. Where the human heart beat goes right down until it is barely beating. The water pressure crushes the lungs until they are the size of a drink can, without ill effects to the diver. Then what little oxygen is left in the body is used to keep the heart and brain just ticking over. This is exactly what happens to the bodies of whales and dolphins when they deep dive. This makes the human body more than capable of dealing with the problems of deep diving. As we can see from the following information.
On August 17, 2002- A new Freediving World Record was set by Tanya Streeter, at a depth of 160m/525ft in a total dive time of 3 minutes and 26 seconds. This dive shattered the previous women's No Limits World Record held by Canadian, Mandy-Rae Cruickshank (136m/446ft) and even surpasses the men's No Limits World Record of 154m/505ft held by Frenchman, Loic LeFerme.
If we assume that mermaids are in fact women divers, then it means that the many sightings of mermaids indicate a past tradition of women divers throughout Europe, (as well as America before it was conquered by Europeans). What is more, judging by the sightings of mermaids, this tradition must have continued into the 19th century. However this leads us to another mystery. If this was the case, why do we not read about it in our history books? Why was it kept secret? We can get a clue to the reason from historical accounts dating back to Medieval times. Where there were bizarre stories of priests who encountering mermaids on the sea shore, would curse them as devils and threaten them with eternal damnation. The mermaids’ usual response was to burst into tears. These stories only sounds weird if we take the traditional view of a mermaid. If we assume that mermaids are women divers then it makes a lot of sense and gives an insight into the Christian Churches’ hostility to these working women. It seems that mermaids were associated with witches as being evil women and we know what the Christian Church did to witches. The infamous witch hunts of the Middle Ages completely wiped out the profession of women healers and herbalists, allowing this vocation to be taken over by male doctors. It must also be remembered that up until the 20th century women were discouraged from doing any work except the lowest paid menial jobs. Or work with no pay as a housewife. The experience from Japan and Korea shows that divers were well paid and this may be true of divers in Europe. Then the coming of anti-female religions like Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Confucianism brought about a change in attitude towards this ancient tradition. It is of interest that one of the foods banned by Judaism is shell-fish. Was this because it was women who traditionally harvest this food? Likewise in the 19th century pearl industry, western traders were horrified to learn that the locals used women pearl divers and even banned them in the Torres Strait islands.
Many mermaid stories are about a mermaid marries a fishermen and has children, but still has a yearning to return to the sea. In some tales she does do this and leaves both her husband and children behind. This resembles the plight of modern day women who try to juggle a job, husband and children at the same time. A woman working as a diver full time wouldn’t have the time or energy to look after a husband and children as well. So these mermaid stories may be about the dilemma faced by women divers concerning society’s rules that women should look after the home and children as her primary responsibility. Female wool spinners before the industrial revolution had the same problem. Spinning wool by hand was a high skilled job and women on average were far better at it than men. This gave these women a well paying job and the more highly skilled, even become very wealthy. So it is of interest that the word spinster comes from the word spinner. This indicates that even hundreds of years ago many women preferred the independence a well paying job like wool spinning, than becoming a wife and mother. Another point is that in some fairy stories, the wicked witch has a spinning wheel and use it to perform magic. So we find a connection of witchcraft to both spinners and divers.
What comes across is a form of discrimination against women similar to black people in the southern state of USA, after slavery was make illegal. Where successful or educated blacks were attacked and murdered by the Ku-Klu-Klan. Likewise successful women healers, herbalists, spinners and divers were probably threatened by witch hunters. The only reason wool spinners and divers escaped persecution was that they were unable to replace them with men.
Ulysses & the Sirens
Herbert Draper
It seems that women divers completely undermine patriarchal stereotypes of men and women. Up until the stirrings of feminism in the 20th century, women throughout the world were referred to as the “weaker sex”. Men claimed that they were not only bigger and stronger than women, but more intelligent and more capable doing everything better than women, (except of-course childbirth). Women divers were a big blow to men’s fragile egos because it was one job that women could do better than they could. It also seems that being able to out perform men, gave women a strong ego boost. Because throughout the world, women divers seem to have been very confident and assertive women. As mentioned before the Chinese and Japanese referred to mermaids as dragon wives while in Africa they were called river-witches. It seems the only reason why women divers survived in Korea into modern times is because they lived on remote islands and diving for food was vital for the islander’s survival.
The same thing must have happened in Europe. Male hostility would have discouraged the use of women divers, but in remote fishing villages along the coast, people living on the edge of starvation couldn’t afford to ignore an important food resource like shell fish and edible seaweed. So they continued this ancient tradition, in secret. The problem would be that outsiders, who are unaware of what is going on, would occasionally see the divers working. In an age when women were supposed to be physically weak, modest and submissive, these outsiders would be shocked to see, naked, athletic and assertive women confidently diving for marine food. It would be unlikely that the women would be clothed because wet clothing would be too much of a drag in water, and swimming costumes were not introduced until the Victorian times. Though reports from Shetland islands of mermaids wearing animal skins make sense providing they are from marine mammals. But the claim from the Orkney islands of mermaids wearing petticoats sounds incredible as not only would they give too much drag in the water but would be dangerous if caught in rocks, while underwater.
It means that it was sightings from outsiders that created the mermaid legend. Fishing villages that used women divers would greatly encourage this legend and embellish it even more, to divert attention away from the fact, it was village women who were the mermaids. Because they didn’t want their women to be accused of witch-craft. The Church may even have gone along with this, preferring to have stories of mythical mermaids rather than accounts of diving women who could a job better than men. So everyone involved had a reason to keep it secret.
This then is why mermaid stories are really a secret chapter of women’s history.
END
WILLIAM BOND
SOURCES
“Mermaids, Nymphs Of The Sea” by Theodore Gachot
“The Diving Women Of Korea And Japan”, Scientific American. May 1967 Hermann Rahn and Su Ki Hong.
http://www.gmsys.net/prosjekt/csp/glimpses4.htm#Gentle divers of an ancient sea
http://members.cox.net/mermaid3.merhist.htm
http://rubens.anu.edu.au/student.projects/mermaids/folklores.html
http://www.orkneyjar.com/folklore/finfolk/mermaid.htm
http:www.mariner.0rg/exhibits/women/myths/mermaids.htm
http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/keepingfit/ARTICLE/femaleswim.htm
http://www.globaltechnoscan.com/18thApr-24thApr01/abyss.htm
http://www.apneamagazine.com/tanya_record-eng.html
www.ivin.narod.ru/scallops/fishing.htm
The official explanation of the mermaid myth goes like this: Sailors see manatees, walruses or seals, and mistake them for women with a fish’s tail. Which suggests these sailors were either drunk, idiots or very ignorant. It is claimed that even famous explorers like Christopher Columbus and Henry Hudson have made this error because they also reported seeing these creatures. As did John Smith, who became the Governor of the Virginia Colony in the early 17th century. So are we to believe that even Columbus, Hudson and Smith were so stupid as to mistake a sea cow or walrus for a mermaid? These men were experienced sailors and very well acquainted with marine life in the ocean. Either they were half-bind and credulous, or is there some other explanation for the mermaid myth?
To explain the apparent confusion some people have pointed out that the vagina of female sea-cows is very similar to that of a human female. So it could be that sailors may have had sex with manatees, and to cover up this act of bestiality they claimed they had intercourse with a mermaid. The problem is that there are thousands of stories about shepherds who have sex with sheep and they certainly don’t invent a mythical creature to hide this act. They simply keep quiet about it. Another explanation supposes that sailors on long sea voyages without the company of women, become so sex-starved that anything remotely resembling a woman in the sea becomes a ‘mermaid’. The problem with this explanation is that most mermaid stories come from Europe, spread by local fishermen who don’t spend months or years at sea.
Mermaids are reported all over Europe. In Ireland they are called Merrows or Murirruhgachs, in Cornwall, Merrymaids, in the Shetland islands, Sea-trows, while the Germans on the Rhine called them Meerfraus. The Scandanavians called them Navmands and the Russians, Rusalkas. Reports of mermaids go right back to the ancient Greeks and continued right up to the end of the 19th century. There have even been a few in the 20th century. So what are we to make of this?
Pearls for Kisses
Fred Appleyard
Perhaps we need to look at the mermaid story from a different perspective. In most stories of mermaids, a female is sighted, though there are a few reports of mermen. Whereas logic would say there should be as many reports of merman as there are of mermaids. In many mermaid stories we are told they come out of the sea and even marry fishermen. Which is a very clever trick for someone with a fish’s tail, except that in some reports a fish tail is not always mentioned. The ancient Greeks called mermaids ‘sea nymphs’ or ‘nereids’ and describe them as simply nude women who swam in the sea, similar to a reported sighing in the 19th century.
On September 8 1809 and school master in England wrote to “The Times” stating that twelve years previous he was on the shore of Sandside Bay when he saw a naked woman sitting on a rock. He then only concluded she was a mermaid because, he then realised that the rock she was sitting on was too dangerous for swimmers. She then dropped in the sea and swam away, and other people also witnessed the same incident.
The School Master clearly states at first, that what he saw was a naked women, he made no mention of a fish’s tail. It seems he only changed his mind when he realised that where she sat was dangerous for swimmers. Another question he may have asked himself was, what was a naked women doing swimming in the sea in 19th century Britain? Such behaviour may not be so unusual in the 21st century, but women in those times didn’t go in for athletic sports like swimming in dangerous waters, or parade themselves completely nude in public.
Reports of mermaids having legs are not that unusual. In Ireland old tales claim that the mermaids lived on dry land below the sea. (Which sounds like a very Irish story). In the Shetland islands they say that mermaids wear animal skins to swim in the water and then take them off to walk on land. (A early form of wet-suit?). These islanders also report that they themselves are descendants of mermaids. The Orkney Islanders claim that mermaids don’t have fish’s tails, but instead wear long petticoats that resemble a fish’s tail when they swim in the sea. There are also many reports of mermaids having two tails. Could they be two legs instead, ending in an early type of flipper? (In 1500 Leonardo da Vinci invented flippers for divers, so this is not a new idea).
The key to making sense of all these tales comes through the story of a Dutch seaman called Hamel. He was on a Dutch ship, ‘Sperwer’ that was wrecked near the Korean island of Cheju in 1653. Where he and the other survivors of the wreck spent ten months on the island. On returning to Holland, he wrote a book about his experiences and claimed that there were mermaids on the island. What’s interesting is that even today women from the island dive for shellfish and edible seaweed. Does this mean that what we refer to as mermaids are simply women divers?
There have been reports of women divers working of the coasts and islands of Japan going back 1500 years. They dive for shellfish, seaweed, starfish, octopuses and pearls and do this all year round, even in the winter were the water temperature is down to 50°F. They have been known to dive as deep as 30M and stay underwater for over 3 minutes. The food they gather, they place in a net around their waists and many keep on diving to up to 60 years of age or more. In the past they only dived in a loincloth but in more recent times they use modern flippers, face masks and snorkels. Scuba gear was banned by the authorities as they feared that the use of modern equipment would over fish the area. In Korea they allow wet suits but they are banned in Japan. There are a few male divers as well but women are able to work far longer in cold water than the average man.
In the 1960’s western journalists discovered these divers and topless photos of some of the more attractive women appeared in magazines and books. Yet it seems these women were not just half-naked bimbos, swimming in the warm shallow waters of a tropical sea. They are tough working women. A clue to how tough they are comes from the fact that both the Chinese and Japanese call mermaids, ‘dragon-wives’. The Cheju-do women are referred to by some Korean commentators as amazons, because they are far more assertive than ordinary Korean women. It seems that while the women are out diving, the men stay at home and look after the children and house. In the extremely “macho” society of Korea, these “tough” women and their “weak” husbands are an embarrassment. For this reason at one time no documents exist about the women divers in Korea, because historically records concerning them were forbidden.
It suggests that because of the embarrassment of women doing a tough job better than they could, patriarchal institutions have kept silence about women divers. If this was true in Korea, could it also have been true in Europe and the Americas?
Now the waters around Japan and Korea are fairly cold but north of Japan in the Ussuri Territory, there was also once a local tradition of using professional women-divers. Even in these freezing waters women divers would continue diving even in the cold autumn months. Then in the 1920’s the Russian authorities began to use modern diving gear and motorboats equipped with dredges. Needless to say, when they adopted modern equipment the area in time became over fished until shell fishing was banned in 1960. Demonstrating the wisdom of the Korean and Japanese authorities in banning modern equipment for shell fishing.
According to the late Jacques Cousteau there was once women who dived completely naked for clams and crabs in Tierra del Fuego. These islands are at the most southern point of South America in waters of 42°F. So how is it that women divers were able to dive in very cold waters near the Arctic and Antarctic circles? Conditions that would kill a normal man within twenty minutes. It seems that women possess a higher percentage of subcutaneous fat all around their bodies that protect them from the cold in the water. In much the same way, marine animals like dolphins and seals have a layer of blubber to keep them warm. The fact that women can survive in these waters was proven by Lynne Cox. In 1987 this American women swam across the Bering Strait, from the U.S. to the Soviet Union with water temperatures down to 38°F. She achieved this without a wet-suit, wearing only a normal swim suit, cap and goggles.
A Mermaid
John William Waterhouse
In the sporting world we are used to men outperforming women, yet there is one sport where women now outperform men, the sport of marathon open water swimming. The first woman to swim 21 miles across the English Channel, was Gertrude Caroline Ederle of USA. In 1926 she broke the record held by the fastest man by one hour and fifty-nine minutes, in spite of having to battle through heavy seas in the second half of her swim. Since then the record for the fastest channel swim has been held at different times by both men and women. It seems that the longer the marathon swim, the easier it is for women to beat men.
Another sport where women can out-perform men is the very modern sport of “free-diving”, that is to say, diving without the use of air tanks. This sport has surprised scientists who have found that in deep dives the bodies of trained free-divers reacts exactly like that of a marine mammal. Where the human heart beat goes right down until it is barely beating. The water pressure crushes the lungs until they are the size of a drink can, without ill effects to the diver. Then what little oxygen is left in the body is used to keep the heart and brain just ticking over. This is exactly what happens to the bodies of whales and dolphins when they deep dive. This makes the human body more than capable of dealing with the problems of deep diving. As we can see from the following information.
On August 17, 2002- A new Freediving World Record was set by Tanya Streeter, at a depth of 160m/525ft in a total dive time of 3 minutes and 26 seconds. This dive shattered the previous women's No Limits World Record held by Canadian, Mandy-Rae Cruickshank (136m/446ft) and even surpasses the men's No Limits World Record of 154m/505ft held by Frenchman, Loic LeFerme.
If we assume that mermaids are in fact women divers, then it means that the many sightings of mermaids indicate a past tradition of women divers throughout Europe, (as well as America before it was conquered by Europeans). What is more, judging by the sightings of mermaids, this tradition must have continued into the 19th century. However this leads us to another mystery. If this was the case, why do we not read about it in our history books? Why was it kept secret? We can get a clue to the reason from historical accounts dating back to Medieval times. Where there were bizarre stories of priests who encountering mermaids on the sea shore, would curse them as devils and threaten them with eternal damnation. The mermaids’ usual response was to burst into tears. These stories only sounds weird if we take the traditional view of a mermaid. If we assume that mermaids are women divers then it makes a lot of sense and gives an insight into the Christian Churches’ hostility to these working women. It seems that mermaids were associated with witches as being evil women and we know what the Christian Church did to witches. The infamous witch hunts of the Middle Ages completely wiped out the profession of women healers and herbalists, allowing this vocation to be taken over by male doctors. It must also be remembered that up until the 20th century women were discouraged from doing any work except the lowest paid menial jobs. Or work with no pay as a housewife. The experience from Japan and Korea shows that divers were well paid and this may be true of divers in Europe. Then the coming of anti-female religions like Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Confucianism brought about a change in attitude towards this ancient tradition. It is of interest that one of the foods banned by Judaism is shell-fish. Was this because it was women who traditionally harvest this food? Likewise in the 19th century pearl industry, western traders were horrified to learn that the locals used women pearl divers and even banned them in the Torres Strait islands.
Many mermaid stories are about a mermaid marries a fishermen and has children, but still has a yearning to return to the sea. In some tales she does do this and leaves both her husband and children behind. This resembles the plight of modern day women who try to juggle a job, husband and children at the same time. A woman working as a diver full time wouldn’t have the time or energy to look after a husband and children as well. So these mermaid stories may be about the dilemma faced by women divers concerning society’s rules that women should look after the home and children as her primary responsibility. Female wool spinners before the industrial revolution had the same problem. Spinning wool by hand was a high skilled job and women on average were far better at it than men. This gave these women a well paying job and the more highly skilled, even become very wealthy. So it is of interest that the word spinster comes from the word spinner. This indicates that even hundreds of years ago many women preferred the independence a well paying job like wool spinning, than becoming a wife and mother. Another point is that in some fairy stories, the wicked witch has a spinning wheel and use it to perform magic. So we find a connection of witchcraft to both spinners and divers.
What comes across is a form of discrimination against women similar to black people in the southern state of USA, after slavery was make illegal. Where successful or educated blacks were attacked and murdered by the Ku-Klu-Klan. Likewise successful women healers, herbalists, spinners and divers were probably threatened by witch hunters. The only reason wool spinners and divers escaped persecution was that they were unable to replace them with men.
Ulysses & the Sirens
Herbert Draper
It seems that women divers completely undermine patriarchal stereotypes of men and women. Up until the stirrings of feminism in the 20th century, women throughout the world were referred to as the “weaker sex”. Men claimed that they were not only bigger and stronger than women, but more intelligent and more capable doing everything better than women, (except of-course childbirth). Women divers were a big blow to men’s fragile egos because it was one job that women could do better than they could. It also seems that being able to out perform men, gave women a strong ego boost. Because throughout the world, women divers seem to have been very confident and assertive women. As mentioned before the Chinese and Japanese referred to mermaids as dragon wives while in Africa they were called river-witches. It seems the only reason why women divers survived in Korea into modern times is because they lived on remote islands and diving for food was vital for the islander’s survival.
The same thing must have happened in Europe. Male hostility would have discouraged the use of women divers, but in remote fishing villages along the coast, people living on the edge of starvation couldn’t afford to ignore an important food resource like shell fish and edible seaweed. So they continued this ancient tradition, in secret. The problem would be that outsiders, who are unaware of what is going on, would occasionally see the divers working. In an age when women were supposed to be physically weak, modest and submissive, these outsiders would be shocked to see, naked, athletic and assertive women confidently diving for marine food. It would be unlikely that the women would be clothed because wet clothing would be too much of a drag in water, and swimming costumes were not introduced until the Victorian times. Though reports from Shetland islands of mermaids wearing animal skins make sense providing they are from marine mammals. But the claim from the Orkney islands of mermaids wearing petticoats sounds incredible as not only would they give too much drag in the water but would be dangerous if caught in rocks, while underwater.
It means that it was sightings from outsiders that created the mermaid legend. Fishing villages that used women divers would greatly encourage this legend and embellish it even more, to divert attention away from the fact, it was village women who were the mermaids. Because they didn’t want their women to be accused of witch-craft. The Church may even have gone along with this, preferring to have stories of mythical mermaids rather than accounts of diving women who could a job better than men. So everyone involved had a reason to keep it secret.
This then is why mermaid stories are really a secret chapter of women’s history.
END
WILLIAM BOND
SOURCES
“Mermaids, Nymphs Of The Sea” by Theodore Gachot
“The Diving Women Of Korea And Japan”, Scientific American. May 1967 Hermann Rahn and Su Ki Hong.
http://www.gmsys.net/prosjekt/csp/glimpses4.htm#Gentle divers of an ancient sea
http://members.cox.net/mermaid3.merhist.htm
http://rubens.anu.edu.au/student.projects/mermaids/folklores.html
http://www.orkneyjar.com/folklore/finfolk/mermaid.htm
http:www.mariner.0rg/exhibits/women/myths/mermaids.htm
http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/keepingfit/ARTICLE/femaleswim.htm
http://www.globaltechnoscan.com/18thApr-24thApr01/abyss.htm
http://www.apneamagazine.com/tanya_record-eng.html
www.ivin.narod.ru/scallops/fishing.htm
"CHRIS YORK" GROANS ABOUT MATRIARCHY, RASA ANSWERS
I am reaffirming my original intention to drop from this group.
RASA: SO WHO IS STOPPING YOU? I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE ANNOUNCE THEY ARE LEAVING A GROUP. ALL IT IS IS AN ACT OF IMMATURITY 'HEY LOOK AT ME, I AM LEAVING.....I AM GOING TO GET EVEN WITH ALL OF YOU.'
I believe that the fault is my own in terming what my tribe uses as Matriarchy. I am still in the process of reading a book that has clarified my understanding on all of this. The book is called "The Chalice and the Blade" and it is by Riane Eisler.
RASA: RIANE WROTE A WONDERFUL BOOK. IT IS GREAT EXCEPT FOR ONE THING. SHE STILL SUCKS C__K. WE HAVE ALSO COME A LONG WAY SINCE THE 80'S WHEN SHE WAS WRITING HER BOOK.
I will quote from her directly:
"One result of re-examining human society from a gender-holistic perspective has been a new theory of culture evolution. This theory, which I have called Cultural Transformational Theory,
RASA: BIG WORDS TO IMPRESS US. ACADEMICS ALWAYS JUSTIFYING OUR NEED FOR THEM. SAY THE SIMPLEST THINGS IN THE MOST COMPLICATED TERMS, AND WON'T THEY ALL BE IMPRESSED?
...proposes that underlying the great surface diversity of human culture are two basic models of society.
The first, which I call the DOMINATOR model, is what is popularly termed either patriarchy or matriarchy -
RASA: EXCEPT, SWEET THING, MATRIARCHY WAS NOT A DOMINATOR SOCIETY THE WAY PATRIARCHY IS. DOMINATING CAN BE BENEVOLENT OR CRUEL. A MOTHER DOMINATES HER CHILD TO PROTECT AND NURTURE. THAT IS WOMAN'S WAY. MEN'S WAY IS KILL THE ENEMY AND TAKE WHAT THEY HAVE AND CONTROL BY STEALTH, THREATS AND VIOLENCE.
...the RANKING of one half of humanity over the other. The second, in which social relations are primarily based on the principle of linking, rather than ranking, may best be described as the partnership model. In this model - beginning with the most fundamental difference in our species, between male and female - diversity is not equated with either inferiority or superiority."
RASA: BAD CALL. NOT RELEVANT. THE POINT IS, FEMALE IS SUPERIOR AND NOW EVERYONE WHO KNOWS ANYTHING KNOWS IT. SCIENCE, BIOLOGY, STATISTICS AND INFORMATION HAVE ALL CLEARLY SHOWN US THE FACTS. AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, WELL THEN, I AM SORRY FOR YOU. BECAUSE A FEMALE SUPERIORITY WORLD AND MATRIARCHY WILL BE UPON US SOON.
I think this probably clarifies my own view and also allows for a reinterpretation of the more indigenous goddess cultures that existed in prehistory. They were not dominator societies.
RASA: THEY WERE NOT MEAN MACHINES LIKE MEN HAVE BEEN, BUT THEY WERE DOMINATORS IN THE SENSE THAT THEY OWNED THE PROPERTY AND THEY CONTROLLED RELIGION, AND CHILDREN WERE RECOGNIZED IN RELATION TO MOM, NOT POP. WOMEN CHOSE THEIR SPOUSES AND HAD FREEDOM IN SEX. IF THAT IS NOT DOMINATING, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS. NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT FEMDOM SEX SESSIONS HERE, THE WAY THE COMMERCIAL WORLD PRESENTS IT. THIS IS REAL LIFE.
They were in fact partnership societies and that is also the proper classification for what I feel is the direction in which society is developing.
RASA: I AM AFRAID THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING. THE STATISTICS POINT TO ANOTHER DIRECTION.
I did review the website and it is very apparent that it is a ranking system which you are advocating.
RASA: RANKING SYSTEM? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? ACTUALLY I AM PROPOSING THAT THE DEVASTATION BY MALES WILL STOP AND THE SEX THAT NURTURES WILL NOW START AND REPAIR THE DAMAGE. YOU ARE JUST WORRIED ABOUT YOUR OWN RANK.
However, as long as people have existed there have been those with a need for this though I do not understand it.
RASA: DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT?
I do believe it is more of a sexual fetish than it is anything else.
RASA: SEXUAL FETISH OR NOT, EVERYONE WILL LIVE UNDER MATRIARCHY IN THE FUTURE. IT IS NO FETISH FOR WOMEN (MOSTLY) NOR FOR GAYS, NOR FOR CHILDREN, AND THEY WILL ALL LIVE UNDER FEMME RULE.
And as such I am sure it will continue to fill that need.
RASA: THERE ARE OTHER NEEDS GREATER THAN MEN'S NEEDS, AND THAT IS PART OF THE REASON MATRIARCHY HAS TO COME. THE WORLD HAS BEEN GROANING UNDER THE FACT THAT ALL HAS BEEN DONE FOR MEN'S 'NEEDS'. THESE ARE NOT EVEN REAL NEEDS, BUT DELUSIONS AND SHORT-TERM GOALS. THIS IS ENDING. LET US ASK WHAT DOES THE PLANET NEED? WHAT DO WOMEN AND CHILDREN NEED AND WHAT DO ANIMALS NEED? THE 'NEEDS' BEING FILLED WERE ONLY THE DESIRES OF THE HIGH-UP MEN WHO DOMINATED THE REST OF THE PLANET. THOSE LOFTY BILLIONAIRES ON TOP WHO HAD NO WORRIES EXCEPT THE STOCK EXCHANGE.
However, it is not appropriate to think of this as a possibility for society or a culture. For one thing it is nothing but the current system turned on its head...
RASA: SO YOU ADMIT THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS BAD. BUT 'TURNED ON ITS HEAD' AS I SAID BEFORE IS NOT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT WHATSOEVER. WOMEN RULE DIFFERENTLY THAN MEN. THEY CARE.
...and for another it immediately comes into conflict with the dominators of the other sex who want a society structured "their" way. Conflict is inevitable and this is the whole problem with any ranking of
human beings by race, sex or anything else.
RASA: THERE WON'T BE ARMIES ON ONE SIDE OF MEN AND WOMEN. IT WILL BE A CHANGE LIKE ONE MILLION WOMEN WITH DEGREES MORESO THAN MEN WITHIN FIVE YEARS. WOMEN HAVING THE HIGH PAING JOBS AND MEN THE LOWER ONES. IT WILL BE AN ECONOMIC REVERSAL. THEN YOU WILL SEE RELIGON CHANGING, WITH WOMEN RUNNING THE CHURCHES. CONFLICTS WILL ALWAYS EXIST AS LONG AS THERE ARE HUMANS AND ANIMALS, BUT THERE WILL BE LESS SUFFERING WITH WOMEN IN CHARGE.
RASA VON WERDER
RASA: SO WHO IS STOPPING YOU? I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE ANNOUNCE THEY ARE LEAVING A GROUP. ALL IT IS IS AN ACT OF IMMATURITY 'HEY LOOK AT ME, I AM LEAVING.....I AM GOING TO GET EVEN WITH ALL OF YOU.'
I believe that the fault is my own in terming what my tribe uses as Matriarchy. I am still in the process of reading a book that has clarified my understanding on all of this. The book is called "The Chalice and the Blade" and it is by Riane Eisler.
RASA: RIANE WROTE A WONDERFUL BOOK. IT IS GREAT EXCEPT FOR ONE THING. SHE STILL SUCKS C__K. WE HAVE ALSO COME A LONG WAY SINCE THE 80'S WHEN SHE WAS WRITING HER BOOK.
I will quote from her directly:
"One result of re-examining human society from a gender-holistic perspective has been a new theory of culture evolution. This theory, which I have called Cultural Transformational Theory,
RASA: BIG WORDS TO IMPRESS US. ACADEMICS ALWAYS JUSTIFYING OUR NEED FOR THEM. SAY THE SIMPLEST THINGS IN THE MOST COMPLICATED TERMS, AND WON'T THEY ALL BE IMPRESSED?
...proposes that underlying the great surface diversity of human culture are two basic models of society.
The first, which I call the DOMINATOR model, is what is popularly termed either patriarchy or matriarchy -
RASA: EXCEPT, SWEET THING, MATRIARCHY WAS NOT A DOMINATOR SOCIETY THE WAY PATRIARCHY IS. DOMINATING CAN BE BENEVOLENT OR CRUEL. A MOTHER DOMINATES HER CHILD TO PROTECT AND NURTURE. THAT IS WOMAN'S WAY. MEN'S WAY IS KILL THE ENEMY AND TAKE WHAT THEY HAVE AND CONTROL BY STEALTH, THREATS AND VIOLENCE.
...the RANKING of one half of humanity over the other. The second, in which social relations are primarily based on the principle of linking, rather than ranking, may best be described as the partnership model. In this model - beginning with the most fundamental difference in our species, between male and female - diversity is not equated with either inferiority or superiority."
RASA: BAD CALL. NOT RELEVANT. THE POINT IS, FEMALE IS SUPERIOR AND NOW EVERYONE WHO KNOWS ANYTHING KNOWS IT. SCIENCE, BIOLOGY, STATISTICS AND INFORMATION HAVE ALL CLEARLY SHOWN US THE FACTS. AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, WELL THEN, I AM SORRY FOR YOU. BECAUSE A FEMALE SUPERIORITY WORLD AND MATRIARCHY WILL BE UPON US SOON.
I think this probably clarifies my own view and also allows for a reinterpretation of the more indigenous goddess cultures that existed in prehistory. They were not dominator societies.
RASA: THEY WERE NOT MEAN MACHINES LIKE MEN HAVE BEEN, BUT THEY WERE DOMINATORS IN THE SENSE THAT THEY OWNED THE PROPERTY AND THEY CONTROLLED RELIGION, AND CHILDREN WERE RECOGNIZED IN RELATION TO MOM, NOT POP. WOMEN CHOSE THEIR SPOUSES AND HAD FREEDOM IN SEX. IF THAT IS NOT DOMINATING, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS. NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT FEMDOM SEX SESSIONS HERE, THE WAY THE COMMERCIAL WORLD PRESENTS IT. THIS IS REAL LIFE.
They were in fact partnership societies and that is also the proper classification for what I feel is the direction in which society is developing.
RASA: I AM AFRAID THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING. THE STATISTICS POINT TO ANOTHER DIRECTION.
I did review the website and it is very apparent that it is a ranking system which you are advocating.
RASA: RANKING SYSTEM? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? ACTUALLY I AM PROPOSING THAT THE DEVASTATION BY MALES WILL STOP AND THE SEX THAT NURTURES WILL NOW START AND REPAIR THE DAMAGE. YOU ARE JUST WORRIED ABOUT YOUR OWN RANK.
However, as long as people have existed there have been those with a need for this though I do not understand it.
RASA: DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT?
I do believe it is more of a sexual fetish than it is anything else.
RASA: SEXUAL FETISH OR NOT, EVERYONE WILL LIVE UNDER MATRIARCHY IN THE FUTURE. IT IS NO FETISH FOR WOMEN (MOSTLY) NOR FOR GAYS, NOR FOR CHILDREN, AND THEY WILL ALL LIVE UNDER FEMME RULE.
And as such I am sure it will continue to fill that need.
RASA: THERE ARE OTHER NEEDS GREATER THAN MEN'S NEEDS, AND THAT IS PART OF THE REASON MATRIARCHY HAS TO COME. THE WORLD HAS BEEN GROANING UNDER THE FACT THAT ALL HAS BEEN DONE FOR MEN'S 'NEEDS'. THESE ARE NOT EVEN REAL NEEDS, BUT DELUSIONS AND SHORT-TERM GOALS. THIS IS ENDING. LET US ASK WHAT DOES THE PLANET NEED? WHAT DO WOMEN AND CHILDREN NEED AND WHAT DO ANIMALS NEED? THE 'NEEDS' BEING FILLED WERE ONLY THE DESIRES OF THE HIGH-UP MEN WHO DOMINATED THE REST OF THE PLANET. THOSE LOFTY BILLIONAIRES ON TOP WHO HAD NO WORRIES EXCEPT THE STOCK EXCHANGE.
However, it is not appropriate to think of this as a possibility for society or a culture. For one thing it is nothing but the current system turned on its head...
RASA: SO YOU ADMIT THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS BAD. BUT 'TURNED ON ITS HEAD' AS I SAID BEFORE IS NOT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT WHATSOEVER. WOMEN RULE DIFFERENTLY THAN MEN. THEY CARE.
...and for another it immediately comes into conflict with the dominators of the other sex who want a society structured "their" way. Conflict is inevitable and this is the whole problem with any ranking of
human beings by race, sex or anything else.
RASA: THERE WON'T BE ARMIES ON ONE SIDE OF MEN AND WOMEN. IT WILL BE A CHANGE LIKE ONE MILLION WOMEN WITH DEGREES MORESO THAN MEN WITHIN FIVE YEARS. WOMEN HAVING THE HIGH PAING JOBS AND MEN THE LOWER ONES. IT WILL BE AN ECONOMIC REVERSAL. THEN YOU WILL SEE RELIGON CHANGING, WITH WOMEN RUNNING THE CHURCHES. CONFLICTS WILL ALWAYS EXIST AS LONG AS THERE ARE HUMANS AND ANIMALS, BUT THERE WILL BE LESS SUFFERING WITH WOMEN IN CHARGE.
RASA VON WERDER
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